Tee welcomes to the show Damon Sasi, a Marriage and Family Therapist and co-host of the Rationally Writing podcast.

Two primary questions structure the episode, 1) how do you know whether a coaching or therapy relationship is going well? and 2) how much does it make sense to pay for coaching or therapy?

Damon & Tee discuss similarities and differences between coaching and therapy (38:15), conceptions of what high-skilled coaching and high-skilled therapy look like (46:52), and questioning the assumption "high-priced therapist/coach = better therapist/coach" (1:32:15).

Spicier parts of the episode include what makes for a bad therapist (51:24), how therapists could be doing CBT wrong (56:47), and how being a fully booked and busy coach could be a signal of stunted growth (1:33:52). 

References mentioned in the show:
 
– Rationally Writing podcast (Damon Sasi & Alexander Wales) 
– "Bad Therapist" blog post by Damon Sasi

– "Philosophy of Therapy" blog post by Damon Sasi

– "Why does psychotherapy work (when it works at all)?" Clearer Thinking Podcast with Scott Miller
– "Why you can't find a therapist, no really" by Sidrea