

The Revenue Formula
Toni Hohlbein & Raul Porojan
This podcast is about scaling tech startups.
Hosted by Toni Hohlbein & Raul Porojan, together they look at the full funnel.
With a combined 20 years of experience in B2B SaaS and 3 exits, they discuss growing pains, challenges and opportunities they’ve faced. Whether you're working in RevOps, sales, operations, finance or marketing - if you care about revenue, you'll care about this podcast.
If there’s one thing they hate, it’s talk. We know, it’s a bit of an oxymoron. But execution and focus is the key - that’s why each episode is designed to give 1-2 very concrete takeaways.
Hosted by Toni Hohlbein & Raul Porojan, together they look at the full funnel.
With a combined 20 years of experience in B2B SaaS and 3 exits, they discuss growing pains, challenges and opportunities they’ve faced. Whether you're working in RevOps, sales, operations, finance or marketing - if you care about revenue, you'll care about this podcast.
If there’s one thing they hate, it’s talk. We know, it’s a bit of an oxymoron. But execution and focus is the key - that’s why each episode is designed to give 1-2 very concrete takeaways.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Sep 12, 2023 • 31min
4 things great teams do now
We've talked with a bunch of great folks. To help you improve GTM performance, we've distilled it into 4 things top teams are doing today.And... we've added a bonus, so it's really 5.(00:00) - Introduction
(02:32) - What the great teams are doing
(03:35) - More AEs doesn't mean more deals
(08:31) - Unblend the funnel and optimize resource allocation
(13:43) - Focus on the skill level
(18:03) - The parking lot exercise
(23:59) - Continuous improvement

Sep 7, 2023 • 48min
What unicorns know (with Pablo Dominguez, Operating Partner at Insight Partners)
Can you do less to achieve more? How did Gainsight drastically improve onboarding time? And what do unicorns really know?That's exactly what we talked with Pablo Dominguez about.(00:00) - Introduction
(04:15) - Continuous improvement
(14:36) - Efficiency as a competitive advantage
(16:08) - Cutting the salescycle in half
(19:51) - Going down market via efficiency
(26:21) - Finite resources, finite time and finite dollars
(29:15) - Who runs the process?
(31:43) - The importance of RevOps
(34:43) - Strategic RevOps
Check out the book what unicorns know here

Sep 5, 2023 • 26min
The 2 things for your revenue plan
Don't start planning i February. You can start with a simple approach already now - and you'll just need two things.(00:00) - Introduction
(04:14) - Push for early planning
(08:06) - 2 Questions for the CFO
(12:55) - How many can you hire?
(15:03) - Tapping into FP&A
(18:17) - And when there's disagreement?
(24:53) - Wrapup

Aug 31, 2023 • 43min
Revenue motions at scale (with Alina Vandenberghe, Co-founder & Co-CEO at Chili Piper)
How do you orchestrate revenue motions at scale? And how do you successfully go from one to many motions?This and more, we talked with Alina Vandenberghe (Co-founder & Co-CEO at Chili Piper) about.(00:00) - Introduction
(06:33) - When a motion stops working
(08:34) - Going from motion to motions
(10:36) - Involving the team
(13:17) - The outbound motion
(17:59) - When was brand ready for outbound?
(20:38) - Remote + Outbound = ???
(27:07) - Getting motions to compound
(30:19) - Accounting for new motions in the plan
(37:59) - The 1 thing

Aug 29, 2023 • 33min
Become unfireable
What does it take to become unfireable as a revenue leader?We boiled it down to three things you should do (besides just hitting target)(00:00) - Introduction
(02:27) - Who's usually at risk?
(05:48) - Are some roles more vulnerable?
(08:47) - What are the table stakes?
(10:12) - Keep a pulse on these 3 daily
(10:45) - How's this quarter looking?
(15:29) - And what about.. next quarter?
(20:31) - And what if both quarters aren't great?
(22:06) - And focus on the full year

Aug 24, 2023 • 49min
From marketing plan to revenue plan (with Chris Walker, CEO at Refine Labs)
It's time to rethink marketing planning. It needs to factor in revenue and not drown sales in dead-end leads.Together with Chris Walker, we talked about the problems with planning and how to apply a business mindset to marketing planning.(00:00) - Introduction
(04:07) - Planning in reverse
(05:34) - The first step - where do you capture demand?
(07:50) - Second step - Creating net new demand
(09:44) - Serial planning vs overall view
(14:06) - The hidden cost of waste
(15:40) - What $42 million in spend teaches us
(17:40) - Why we're still inefficient with leads
(23:33) - Optimal resource allocation
(28:13) - Growth goals drive wrong behaviours
(32:36) - What do you do about the delta?
(37:14) - RevOps is perfectly positioned
You can find Chris on LinkedIn or checkout Refine Labs here.

Aug 22, 2023 • 35min
The trillion dollar problem: Revenue Leakage
Every year roughly $2 trillion goes away unnoticed for companies. It's called revenue leakage.In this episode, we dive deeper into this massive opportunity:(00:00) - Introduction
(02:38) - Revenue Leakage.. Cool... But what is it?
(04:32) - How big of a problem is revenue leakage?
(06:55) - Examples of revenue leakage
(10:24) - How do you prevent Revenue Leakage?
(11:49) - Time leakage
(14:50) - Revenue leakage from cost
(19:57) - The full revenue engine
(22:49) - What now?
Sources1-5% of EBITDA flows unnoticed - E&YSales & marketing efforts could be wasting $2 trillion - BCG14.9% revenue leakage - Clari/Forrester

Aug 17, 2023 • 53min
Why performance is down & what to do (With Jacco van der Kooij)
You've seen the research, maybe the problems. Performance is down across the board.In this episode, we talk with Jacco van der Kooij from Winning By Design about where we're coming from, what's change - and how to solve performance going forward.(00:00) - Introduction
(02:18) - Where is SaaS today?
(05:13) - Who do we blame?
(07:48) - Then everything got worse
(15:10) - Abusing PLG
(18:50) - What are we dealing with?
(21:51) - So.. What's changed?
(23:26) - Nothing has changed
(26:10) - Underperformance comes down to this
(30:27) - If you want to run a good revenue organization, do this
(35:42) - But.. We need to make an impact this quarter
(43:56) - To make an impact now.. do this
(49:31) - Wrapping up: The new game we're entering
Research paper mentioned: Solving underperformance: How to lift up the 40%For more, check out WbD research here or their YouTube channel.

Aug 14, 2023 • 31min
RevOps aren't system admins
Revenue Operations should do more than service commercial teams. Yet most struggle to articulate what strategic revops looks like.That's exactly what we cover in this episode - how to become an advisor and actively help grow revenue, rather than just doing salesforce validation rules..In the episode, we cover:(00:00) - Introduction
(01:57) - Don't get blinded by software
(05:31) - Everyone struggles with articulating strategy
(07:30) - Start monitoring
(09:56) - 3 Thing RevOps should care about
(15:06) - Identifying and mitigating risks
(18:53) - Define the operating cadence
(23:41) - Revenue planning
Interested in checking out Growblocks? Take a look here.

Aug 10, 2023 • 47min
Special: What you need to know about brand (With Udi Ledergor)
Everyone agrees brand is important, but struggle to articulate why or even how to manage it.That's why we brought on Udi Ledergor from Gong to share his insights from building the gong brand.We get into:(00:00) - Introduction
(02:29) - Why brands don't invest in branding
(03:37) - What does brand even mean?
(06:14) - Why even consider brand?
(09:36) - Creating a category
(15:48) - Brand at the early stages
(18:37) - Investing in big brand bets
(30:25) - How to handle budget and brand
(35:01) - What are the signals to pay attention to?
(37:44) - It's not enough to say "the CEO doesn't get marketing"