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The discussion delves into the concept of self, examining where it may be located in the brain and how it influences our experiences. The default mode network and its hubs, the medio prefrontal cortex, and posterior singular cortex, are highlighted as key areas associated with the conceptual and experiential sense of self. This distinction helps in understanding how our self-concept evolves based on our daily experiences, ultimately affecting how we perceive and react to the world around us.
The conversation deepens into questioning the ontological existence of a permanent, independent self. By observing the continuous interplay between consciousness, personhood, and the presumed self, the notion of a unified, enduring, and independent entity is scrutinized. Emphasizing the transient and interconnected nature of experiences, the discussion challenges the belief in a fixed and unchanging self at the core of our identity.
The dialogue navigates the intertwining patterns of selfing, craving, and suffering. Exploring the connection between rumination, addiction, and anxiety, the overlap in experiential restlessness is highlighted. By observing the somatic markers and patterns of self-referential activities in the brain, individuals are encouraged to deconstruct the heavy identification with the self. The shift towards curiosity, sensory experiences, and letting go is presented as a pathway to relieving the burdensome self-construct, fostering equanimity and well-being.
By utilizing fMRI and neuropsychological studies, researchers have found a way to bridge the gap between subjective experiences and brain activity. Through studies focusing on the posterior singulate cortex, it was discovered that increased activity in this region was associated with being caught up in various experiences like daydreaming or craving. The research suggested that when individuals rest in awareness without getting caught up in experiences, the posterior singulate becomes less active, aligning with the concept of an experiential sense of self.
The podcast discussion delved into the concept of self and its connection to brain functionality. It was highlighted that self-awareness and related memories are crucial in predicting future experiences based on past events. The conversation explored how practices like meditation or the use of psychedelics can affect brain activity and potentially relax attachment to the sense of self. Emphasizing the difference between contraction and expansion of the self, the podcast underscored the importance of observing these states to understand their impact on overall well-being.
One of the underlying threads that runs through many of our conversations on Being Well is our relationship with our “self”. On this episode, Dr. Rick and Forrest Hanson talk with neuroscientist, mindfulness researcher, and bestselling author Dr. Jud Brewer about where we can find the “self” in the brain, and the benefits of relaxing our attachment to it.
About our Guest: Dr. Jud Brewer is the Director of Research and Innovation at the Mindfulness Center and associate professor in Behavioral and Social Sciences at the School of Public Health and Psychiatry at the School of Medicine at Brown University. He is the executive medical director of behavioral health at Sharecare, and a research affiliate at MIT. His bestselling books include Unwinding Anxiety and The Craving Mind.
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Key Topics:
0:00: Introduction
1:45: What is a “self”?
5:10: Distinguishing consciousness, person, and self
7:25: Can there be a unified sense of self in an everchanging psychological process?
11:50: Selfing and what triggers a sense of “me”
15:20: Evolutionary speculations about the origins of selfing
18:50: Predictive processing and personal associations
21:55: How Jud responds to selfing
28:10: The unicorn metaphor of self and relief in sensory experience
36:45: The experience of addiction and anxiety
40:50: Somatic markers and distinguishing healthy vs. unhealthy desires
41:40: Letting go vs. straining to create a self
45:40: Underlying neurological components of the self
56:30: The fluidity of awareness without self
58:30: When and how does the default mode network become functional?
1:03:00: Neuro-psychedelic research and unlearning
1:07:15: Having a self vs. taking ourselves personally
1:11:00: Recap
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