
The Revenue Formula
This podcast is about scaling tech startups.
Hosted by Toni Hohlbein & Mikkel Plaehn, together they look at the full funnel.
With a combined 20 years of experience in B2B SaaS and 3 exits, they discuss growing pains, challenges and opportunities they’ve faced. Whether you're working in RevOps, sales, operations, finance or marketing - if you care about revenue, you'll care about this podcast.
If there’s one thing they hate, it’s talk. We know, it’s a bit of an oxymoron. But execution and focus is the key - that’s why each episode is designed to give 1-2 very concrete takeaways.
Latest episodes

6 snips
Dec 12, 2024 • 46min
You need to know these GTM trends (with Chris Walker)
2025 is around the corner - and we asked Chris Walker about his predictions for the next years. Will we see more efficiency? Growth? How will AI transform teams? And much much more.(00:00) - Introduction
(03:17) - Has anything changed?
(05:03) - Understanding the Core Problems
(07:06) - The C suite
(12:03) - Wrong KPIs
(14:40) - No, we aren't more efficient
(19:00) - AI and Market Efficiency
(22:03) - Building Customer-Centric Software
(24:12) - The Real Cost of Software and Market Growth
(24:52) - Predictions for Marketing Teams
(27:03) - Challenges in AI Adoption
(29:24) - Data's Role in AI and Marketing
(30:37) - Future Trends and Predictions
(34:40) - The Art and Science of Go-to-Market Strategy
(35:56) - RevOps and Go-to-Market Operations
(37:48) - Customer Success and Account Management
(40:51) - Key Ingredients for Success in 2025
This episode is brought to you by by Everstage - the highest rated Sales Commissions Platform on G2, Gartner Peer Insights, Trustradius with over 2,000+ customer reviews. Some of their customers include leading brands like Diligent, Wiley, Trimble, Postman, Chargebee etc.,You can go to https://www.everstage.com/revenue-formula to check out Everstage and mention Revenue Formula to unlock a personalized Sales Compensation Strategy Session with Everstage’s RevOps experts—crafted for enterprise teams to maximize performance.Never miss a new episode, join our newsletter on revenueformula.substack.com

Dec 10, 2024 • 33min
This is why your growth isn't picking up
There's been a bunch of change happening lately. And a lot of excuses to. It's time to accept the changes and adapt to (finally) start growing again.(00:00) - Introduction
(05:47) - Growth and Market Dynamics
(10:59) - So what exactly has changed?
(11:23) - Changes in Buyer Behavior
(11:48) - The Rise of Buying Committees
(14:09) - Focus on Cost Reduction
(16:13) - The AI Buyer Emerges
(16:42) - AI's Rapid Improvement and Cost Efficiency
(19:39) - AI's Market Impact and Investment
(23:40) - Outcome-Based Pricing Models
(29:11) - The Future of AI in Business
This episode is brought to you by Fullcast - the only AI-powered platform that streamlines your entire sales lifecycle—from plan to pay. Loved by companies like Own, Degreed, Zones, Collibra, and more.Never miss a new episode, join our newsletter on revenueformula.substack.com

Dec 5, 2024 • 37min
The state of venture capital (with Peter Walker)
Will the funding market screw you, or accelerate your plans? In this episode, we talk with Peter Walker about funding and why it matters to GTM teams.(00:00) - Introduction
(03:04) - What commercial teams need to know
(05:44) - What does the market look like right now
(07:19) - Are IPOs still backed up?
(09:24) - Political landscape
(12:29) - Two paths during a downturn
(17:17) - Time Between Funding Rounds
(20:28) - The AI Hype Cycle
(27:31) - Startup Shutdowns
(30:54) - Down Rounds and Their Impact
(33:14) - Predictions for 2025
This episode is brought to you by by Fullcast, the only AI-powered platform that streamlines your entire sales lifecycle — from plan to pay. With modules like territory and quota management, routing, and capacity planning, Fullcast adapts to your unique needs — whether you need one solution or an all-in-one platform. Ready to see the difference? Visit Fullcast.com and mention the Revenue Formula Podcast to unlock an exclusive premium gift, just for listeners!Never miss a new episode, join our newsletter on revenueformula.substack.com

Dec 3, 2024 • 33min
Take advantage of this zero day exploit now
If you're the first to exploit a new opportunity, your advantage will only get bigger over time. So, is there an exploit you can take advantage of? Find out in the episode.(00:00) - Introduction
(03:06) - Understanding Zero Day Exploits
(05:36) - E-commerce Evolution and SEO
(12:31) - The Rise of SaaS
(19:07) - AI in Go-to-Market Strategies
(29:39) - Encouraging AI Experimentation
(31:42) - Conclusion and Call to Action
This episode is brought to you by by Everstage - the highest rated Sales Commissions Platform on G2, Gartner Peer Insights, Trustradius with over 2,000+ customer reviews. Some of their customers include leading brands like Diligent, Wiley, Trimble, Postman, Chargebee etc.,You can go to https://www.everstage.com/revenue-formula to check out Everstage and mention Revenue Formula to unlock a personalized Sales Compensation Strategy Session with Everstage’s RevOps experts—crafted for enterprise teams to maximize performance.Never miss a new episode, join our newsletter on revenueformula.substack.com

6 snips
Nov 28, 2024 • 1h 7min
Why 70% of Sales Jobs Might Disappear (with Jacco van der Kooij)
Jacco van der Kooij, Founder of Winning by Design, shares his expertise on AI's profound impact on sales strategies. He predicts a dramatic shift where up to 70% of sales jobs could vanish, highlighting the need for adaptation. The conversation dives into how AI is transforming traditional sales roles and enhancing customer engagement through innovative methodologies. Jacco also discusses the evolution from SaaS to outcome-based models, stressing the urgency for businesses to embrace AI or risk obsolescence in a competitive landscape.

Nov 26, 2024 • 34min
The unfair advantage: Why every founder needs a brand
There's an unfair advantage some startups and companies have. It's a competitive advantage that can't be copied. And it's on you should build as early as possible - a founder brand.In todays episode, we talk about our experience with building a founder brand, what we've learned from others and much much more.(00:00) - Introduction
(01:47) - Building a Founder Brand
(07:27) - You need this
(08:45) - Blank page problem
(11:11) - The Importance of Consistency
(15:28) - Distribution and Trust
(17:04) - The reason LinkedIn is interesting
(19:33) - The other option
(25:27) - What will you talk about
This episode is brought to you by by Everstage - the highest rated Sales Commissions Platform on G2, Gartner Peer Insights, Trustradius with over 2,000+ customer reviews. Some of their customers include leading brands like Diligent, Wiley, Trimble, Postman, Chargebee etc.,You can go to https://www.everstage.com/revenue-formula to check out Everstage and mention Revenue Formula to unlock a personalized Sales Compensation Strategy Session with Everstage’s RevOps experts—crafted for enterprise teams to maximize performance.Never miss a new episode, join our newsletter on revenueformula.substack.com

Nov 21, 2024 • 47min
How This AE Built a $1M Pipeline Through LinkedIn (With Laura Erdem)
In this engaging discussion, Laura Erdem, a salesperson at Dream Data, shares her impressive journey of generating a $1M pipeline primarily through LinkedIn. She dives into the challenges of traditional outbound sales and the shift to social selling. Laura reveals her effective playbook filled with practical tips for self-prospecting and building authentic connections. She emphasizes the importance of team collaboration, founder support, and striking a balance between social engagement and traditional techniques for sales success.

Nov 19, 2024 • 32min
VCs hate services - here’s why SaaS shouldn't
Carta. HubSpot. Brandwatch. Rippling. These companies, and many others, offer services (even though VCs don't like it). It's not about creating a services business, it's about using it to acquire, retain and grow customers. Here's what we get into:(00:00) - Introduction
(03:08) - Why services aren't attractive
(04:54) - And why services are awesome
(11:46) - Services as an acquisition channel
(12:25) - First example: Carta
(16:34) - 2nd: Rippling
(21:24) - HubSpot's Onboarding
This episode is brought to you by by Everstage - the highest rated Sales Commissions Platform on G2, Gartner Peer Insights, Trustradius with over 2,000+ customer reviews. Some of their customers include leading brands like Diligent, Wiley, Trimble, Postman, Chargebee etc.,You can go to https://www.everstage.com/revenue-formula to check out Everstage and mention Revenue Formula to unlock a personalized Sales Compensation Strategy Session with Everstage’s RevOps experts—crafted for enterprise teams to maximize performance.Never miss a new episode, join our newsletter on revenueformula.substack.com

Nov 14, 2024 • 49min
This founder shares his churn problem (with Adam Robinson)
Everyone talks openly about raising a new round or closing a massive deal. But churn, crickets. Except for one guy, Adam Robinson.And he shares not only his churn problem, but how he solved it, how he's building a solid awareness engine and, how he built Rb2b.(00:00) - Introduction
(07:02) - October 2022, the first LinkedIn post
(08:53) - Finding his voice
(11:15) - The first viral post
(13:51) - No product was decided yet
(16:05) - The product was not exciting...
(17:59) - 3 weeks after launch
(22:58) - The Impact of Transparency on Business
(23:49) - Churn: The thing people won't talk about (when it's bad)
(27:23) - Churn spiked to 15%
(29:49) - A few realizations
(36:37) - The strange issue
(45:05) - Confrontational Marketing
(48:10) - Final Thoughts and Farewell
This episode is brought to you by by Everstage - the highest rated Sales Commissions Platform on G2, Gartner Peer Insights, Trustradius with over 2,000+ customer reviews. Some of their customers include leading brands like Diligent, Wiley, Trimble, Postman, Chargebee etc.,You can go to https://www.everstage.com/revenue-formula to check out Everstage and mention Revenue Formula to unlock a personalized Sales Compensation Strategy Session with Everstage’s RevOps experts—crafted for enterprise teams to maximize performance.Never miss a new episode, join our newsletter on revenueformula.substack.com

Nov 12, 2024 • 34min
The new outbound playbook we used to book 500 meetings
Outbound sales might be facing challenges, but there's a fresh playbook making waves. The discussion highlights the evolution from traditional text to engaging video outreach, emphasizing personal connection. AI's role in sales is critically examined, weighing its pros and cons. The hosts share insights on targeting ideal customers while fostering collaboration between sales and marketing teams. With strategic video messages and unified customer engagement, they've successfully booked 500 meetings, proving that innovation and authenticity can reignite outbound efforts.