
NN/g UX Podcast
The Nielsen Norman Group (NNg) UX Podcast is a podcast on user experience research, design, strategy, and professions, hosted by Senior User Experience Specialist Therese Fessenden. Join us every month as she interviews industry experts, covering common questions, hot takes on pressing UX topics, and tips for building truly great user experiences. For free UX resources, references, and information on UX Certification opportunities, go to: www.nngroup.com
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Sep 8, 2023 • 43min
32. Conducting Research with Employees (feat. Angie Li, UXMC, Senior Manager of Product Design at Asurion)
Angie Li, Senior Manager of Product Design at Asurion, discusses the challenges and benefits of conducting research with internal employees. She emphasizes the importance of building rapport, managing logistics, and involving employees in the research process. Additionally, she highlights the significance of piloting usability tests, building rapport with participants and making connections.

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Aug 11, 2023 • 37min
31. Service Design 101 (feat. Thomas Wilson, UXMC, Senior Principal Service Designer & Strategist)
Members of our UX Master Certified community are applying UX principles to their work in a range of different ways. In this episode, we interview Thomas Wilson, Senior Principal Service Designer at United Healthcare and discuss what service design is and what makes it challenging and rewarding.
Learn more about Thomas Wilson: LinkedIn
NN/g Service Design Resources:
Service Blueprinting (full-day or half-day formats)
Service Design Study Guide (free article with links to many more)
Learn more about UX Master Certification
Some of the (many) people and organizations Thomas mentioned:
Don Norman
Service Design Network
Erika Hall
Adam St. John Lawrence
Marc Stickdorn
Anthony Ulwick
Bob Moesta

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Jul 7, 2023 • 32min
30. Stakeholder Relationships (feat. Sarah Gibbons, Vice President at NN/g)
Building stakeholder relationships is no easy task but it is crucial for getting buy-in, aligning expectations and ultimately building trust. But, what even is a "stakeholder" and how do you know if you have good relationships built? In this episode, we feature a conversation between Samhita Tankala and Sarah Gibbons who discuss the challenges that come with stakeholder management and how to build successful relationships.
Learn more about Sarah Gibbons
Related NN/g articles, videos, and courses:
Successful Stakeholder Relationships (UX Certification course)
How to Sell UX: Translating UX to Business Value (Video)
How to Collaborate with Stakeholders in UX Research (Article)
UX Stories Communicate Designs (Article)
Making a Case for UX in 3 Steps (Video)
Stakeholder Analysis for UX Projects (Article)
UX Stakeholders: Study Guide
Other sources Sarah mentioned:
The Five Dysfunctions of a Team by Patrick Lencioni

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Jun 2, 2023 • 36min
29. UX Mentorship (feat. Tim Neusesser, UX Specialist at NN/g, and Travis Grawey, Director of Product Design at OfficeSpace)
The importance of mentorship for personal and professional development is an often-discussed topic, yet it can be challenging to find a mentor or become a mentor yourself. In this episode, we feature a conversation between a mentee, NN/g’s Tim Neusesser, and his mentor, Travis Grawey. In this episode they discuss how mentorship has impacted both of their careers.
Learn more about Tim Neusesser
Learn more about Travis Grawey (who mentors along with many others at ADPList)
Related NN/g articles & videos:
Why You Need UX Mentoring (video)
The C's of Great UX Mentorship (video)
Finding UX Mentors (video)
UX Careers Report (free report)

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May 5, 2023 • 34min
28. Games User Research (feat. Steve Bromley, author and games user researcher)
Have you ever wondered what it's like to usability test a video game? Or what goes on behind the scenes of gaming studios as they prepare for big release dates? In this episode, games user researcher Steve Bromley shares how he got into the field, and what makes games different from traditional user experiences.
Steve's Website: gamesuserresearch.com; Steve's Book: How To Be A Games User Researcher
Other websites Steve Mentioned
A Theory Of Fun For Game Design (Raph Koster)
A Playful Production Process
Game Developer Conference Videos
NN/g's Free Articles and Videos on Games & Gamification:
10 Usability Heuristics Applied to Video Games (article)
Games User Research (article)
Video Game Design and UX (video)
Gamification in the User Experience (video)
Psychology & UX Study Guide (free study guide)
NN/g UX Certification Courses (full-day or half-day formats)
Persuasive & Emotional Design
The Human Mind and Usability

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Apr 8, 2023 • 41min
27. Customer Journey Management (feat. Kim Salazar, Sr. UX Specialist at NN/g and Jochem van der Veer, CEO/Co-Founder of TheyDo)
If you ask experienced UX practitioners how to stay user-centric, you’ll inevitably hear something about the importance of customer journeys. However, as teams become more mature in their UX practices, the number of journeys being tracked and analyzed has been growing, sometimes faster than teams can manage, leading to scattered and uncoordinated redesign efforts. In this episode, we hear some tips about customer journey management from Kim Salazar of NN/g and Jochem van der Veer of TheyDo, a customer journey management platform.
Learn more about the episode guests:
Kim Salazar, Senior UX Specialist at NN/g
Jochem van der Veer, Co-Founder & CEO, TheyDo / TheyDo.com
Related NN/g courses & reports:
Customer-Journey Management (full-day / 2 half-days course)
Operationalizing CX: Organizational Strategies for Delivering Superior Omnichannel Experiences (142-page report)
Related NN/g articles & videos:
The Practice of Customer-Journey Mangement (free article)
What is Journey Management? (3 min video)

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Mar 3, 2023 • 33min
26. The Evolution of UX (feat. Dr. Jakob Nielsen, Co-Founder & Principal, NN/g)
The UX industry has recently seen what some call "unprecedented" shifts with layoffs and generative artificial intelligence rapidly changing how UX work is done. However, there have been similarly turbulent periods in tech, decades before. Dr. Jakob Nielsen reflects on the changes that have taken place over the near 25 years Nielsen Norman Group has been around, and discusses whether or not generative AI is just a phase or truly the next chapter of UX work.
Learn more about Dr. Jakob Nielsen
Past keynote speeches by Dr. Jakob Nielsen
Topics Covered:
1:45 - Dr. Jakob Nielsen's "origin story"
3:46 - What UX was like during the "dot-com boom"
6:30 - How the UX profession has changed since the "dot-com boom"
8:21 - Generative AI - a phase or the next chapter of UX work?
13:26 - How AI will shift the labor of UX away from pixel-pushing and toward orchestration/editorializing
16:58 - The future of UX: what keeps Dr. Jakob Nielsen inspired
19:34 - Balancing the pressure to build new features vs. fixing existing infrastructures (UX debt)
23:00 - Foundational UX ideologies: who is responsible for a good experience; matching how people actually behave
25:17 - Advice for people new to UX
27:40 - Advice for experienced UX professionals in preparing for a future with AI

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Feb 3, 2023 • 36min
25. Discount Usability: Expert Reviews and Heuristic Evaluations (feat. Evan Sunwall, UX Specialist, NNg)
With the recent surge in tech layoffs, a downsizing of UX labor means UX research is harder to do, meaning: research needs to be prioritized in really intentional ways. Discount inspection methods like expert reviews and heuristic evaluations can help identify high-priority design issues that need further research and design effort. In this episode, Evan Sunwall offers some insight into how to facilitate and communicate the results of these inspection methods.
Connect with Evan Sunwall on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/esunwall/
Evan's Recommended Further Reading on NN/g:
Jakob Nielsen's 10 Usability Heuristics (article)
The classic heuristics for effective interaction design used by many UX professionals to evaluate digital experiences.
Heuristic Evaluation of User Interface (video)
How to Conduct a Heuristic Evaluation (article)
How to Conduct an Expert Review (article)
Other Books:
Don't Make Me Think (book) - a very short and easy-to-read primer on usability and its role in creating successful products.

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Jan 6, 2023 • 36min
24. Artificial Intelligence: What Is It? What Is It Not? (feat. Susan Farrell, Principal UX Researcher at mmhmm.app)
The term artificial intelligence, AI, is having a bit of a boom, with the explosion in popularity of tools like ChatGPT, Lensa, DALL•E 2, and many others. The praises of AI have been equally met with skepticism and criticism, with cautionary tales about AI information quality, plagiarism, and other risks. Susan Farrell, the Principal UX Researcher at mmhmm, shares a bit about her experiences in researching chatbots and AI driven tools, and defines what AI is, what it isn’t, and what teams should consider when implementing AI systems.
Susan Farrell's social media: LinkedIn; Mastodon
What Susan is working on: mmhmm.app
NN/g courses referenced in this episode:
Design Tradeoffs & UX Decision Making (full-day and 2-day course)
Emerging Patterns in Interface Design (full-day and 2-day course)
Recommended Reading to deep dive into artificial intelligence & machine learning:
Age of Invisible Machines - Robb Wilson
The Promise and Terror of Artificial Intelligence - Os Keyes
Becoming a chatbot: my life as a real estate AI’s human backup
The Invisible Workforce that Makes AI Possible
For Humans Learning Machine Learning
What are large language models (LLMs), why have they become controversial?
On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big?
Interested in working for us? Check out our job posting and apply by Jan. 30, 2023.

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Sep 30, 2022 • 27min
23. Building Better Products with a Better Mindset (feat. Ryan Hudson-Peralta, Principal Experience Designer at Rocket Homes)
Building exceptional experiences usable by all is no easy feat. Focusing on what can be influenced and accepting what cannot be changed are two critical steps to crafting better products... and careers. We spoke with Ryan Hudson-Peralta, a principal experience designer at Rocket Homes, who often introduces himself as a "father, husband, international speaker, and designer... who just happens to be born without hands." Ryan shares a bit about his journey into the UX field, and how his mindset of curiosity and positivity allows him to create meaningful experiences with his designs and with his career.
Learn more about Ryan Hudson-Peralta: lookmomnohands.com
If you would like to learn about UX design, we have thousands of articles and videos at our website www.nngroup.com.
Full-Day Design Courses (also available in 2 half-day formats)
UX Basic Training
Web Page UX Design
Application Design
Mobile User Experience
Designing Complex Apps for Specialized Domains
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