
“HR Heretics” | How CPOs, CHROs, Founders, and Boards Build High Performing Companies
After a decade+ of “blitz-scaling” companies, HR, talent, and People leaders now face an uncertain economy that has already seen big booms and busts. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact?
Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners – Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors.
This show is for those who are ready to ditch conventional wisdom and figure out from first principles what works for their culture, business model, and industry, with the goal of building a resilient and enduring company. You’ll come away with real guidance for seeing around corners, building enduring companies, and carving out an impactful career – plus a newly-honed bullshit detector.
Topics frequently touched on in this season include: building high performing cultures, compensation negotiation, performance reviews, company design, equity, M&As, recruiting the best talent, and how to manage your own psychology as a people leader. hrheretics.substack.com
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Oct 17, 2024 • 45min
Silicon Valley's Survival of the Fittest with Peter Walker of Carta
Peter Walker, Head of Insights at Carta, shares his expertise on the shifting startup landscape. He unveils the stark reality of declining hiring trends and the rise of lean operations. The conversation dives into the complexities of employee tenure during layoffs and the emergence of fractional employment amid market volatility. Walker also discusses the challenges in tech acquisitions and IPOs, revealing how economic factors are reshaping startup valuations and equity distribution, questioning if we are witnessing a new era in the startup ecosystem.

Oct 16, 2024 • 17min
Trust No One? The New Realities of Tech Recruiting in 2024
The podcast dives into the ethical dilemmas posed by AI in job interviews, where candidates might use technology to cheat. It discusses the rise of fake applicants and the challenges they bring to recruitment integrity. The hosts share insights on shifting interview practices, advocating for personal values and experiences over traditional methods. They also highlight the irreplaceable nature of soft skills and the pressing need for verification in hiring processes. A fascinating exploration of how AI is reshaping trust and authenticity in the workplace!

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Oct 10, 2024 • 53min
Andy Price on Building World-Class Teams: Process is Overrated
In this engaging discussion, Andy Price, a seasoned executive recruiter and venture capitalist known for building leadership teams at firms like Snowflake and DocuSign, shares invaluable hiring insights. He emphasizes the importance of aligning organizational culture with candidate qualifications to avoid hiring misfits. Andy also explores the critical role of effective onboarding and communication in fostering employee success. He highlights resilience and authenticity as vital traits for today’s workforce, reflecting on how these qualities can turn good companies into great ones.

Oct 9, 2024 • 17min
Rethinking DEI in Tech After Microsoft's Team Dissolution
The discussion dives into Microsoft's recent dissolution of its DEI team, raising alarms about the industry's sincere commitment to diversity. It scrutinizes the effectiveness of existing DEI strategies, highlighting stagnation in representation. Personal stories showcase the importance of accountability in fostering inclusive cultures. Hope and skepticism intertwine as the speakers call for a reevaluation of approaches, emphasizing the need for authentic inclusion over mere metrics in tech's evolving landscape.

Oct 3, 2024 • 44min
HashiCorp's CPO Christine Centa on Equity, Remote Work & AI
Christine Centa, the Chief People Officer at HashiCorp, shares insights on HR innovation and remote work culture. She discusses the complexities of scaling a remote-first organization and navigating the challenges of equity compensation in tech. Centa explores the transformative role of AI in recruitment and the importance of data-driven strategies for workforce planning. The conversation emphasizes the need for transparency and open communication to foster trust in remote teams, especially during transitions from private to public company.

Oct 1, 2024 • 22min
When CEOs Bare Their Souls in 36 Pages with Colleen McCreary
Colleen McCreary, a seasoned Chief People Officer, joins the discussion to unpack the viral 36-page employee manual from Mr. Beast. The team dives into the manual's combination of survival guide and corporate manifesto, questioning if it's a bold new take on leadership or a path to burnout. They emphasize the critical importance of transparency in corporate culture, the necessity for clear expectations, and how authenticity can transform workplace dynamics, making it essential listening for anyone in management or HR.

Sep 26, 2024 • 18min
Realtalk: Feedback
Dive into the intricate world of giving feedback to friends at work without harming relationships. Explore how open communication can enrich professional bonds while overcoming the challenges of ego. Discover the delicate balance between honesty and the fear of straining relationships. Uncover the transformative power of constructive criticism and how it can spur personal growth. Embrace feedback as a collaborative dialogue, fostering a culture where honesty meets empathy.

Sep 24, 2024 • 16min
Amazon's Return To Office Policy
In this episode, Amazon CEO Andy Jassy, a key figure in the tech industry, discusses the recent return-to-office policy and its potential fallout. The conversation delves into workplace culture shifts and employee morale as company dynamics shift post-COVID. Jassy's approach emphasizes reducing bureaucracy, but will it spark higher turnover rates? The hosts explore the complex implications for staff expectations and the labor market landscape, highlighting the delicate balance of empathy and business needs during a transformative time.

Sep 19, 2024 • 22min
Workplace Romance Power Dynamics
Delving into the complexities of workplace romances, speakers Kelli and Nolan discuss the risks of mixing power and passion. They highlight real-life cases, including the controversial terminations due to romantic entanglements. The conversation explores why dating within a reporting chain can lead to ethical dilemmas and conflicts of interest. Listeners learn about the need for clear company policies to navigate these tricky relationships while maintaining professional boundaries. It's a must-listen for anyone navigating romance at work!

Sep 17, 2024 • 19min
The First Team Trap: Avoiding Toxicity
Explore the delicate balance between team loyalty and executive alignment. The discussion highlights the dangers of putting immediate team goals over broader company objectives. Discover strategies for managing dissent while maintaining empathy and authority. Learn about the profound effects of toxic leadership and the importance of transparent communication in fostering collaboration. The episode emphasizes proactive succession planning to build a healthier workplace culture.
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