From the New World James Pogue - Nature, Strife, and American Destiny
A wide-ranging conversation explores America’s frontier mythology, the fading promise of escape to open land, and the politics of forestry and trucking. It moves through elite power, social media, tribal identity, political violence, and the possibility of national fragmentation, before turning to Ron DeSantis and the longing for normality.
05:36:13
American Myth & Trapped Feeling
- The core American myth is the right of withdrawal, tied to access to free land.
- This created social problems as the frontier closed and people felt trapped.
Disenchantment and the Search for Meaning
- Modern society suffers from a loss of meaning and magic, similar to Weber's disenchantment.
- People seek meaning, even in unexpected places like Trump rallies.
Finding Community at Trump Rallies
- James Pogue observed people finding community and meaning at Trump rallies.
- He noted the genuine fun and communal experience, contrasting with the media's portrayal.
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Introduction
00:00 • 2min
Are You a Christian Myth?
01:38 • 4min
Is That a Pansey Scheme?
05:49 • 3min
Is There a Shortage of Land in the West?
08:58 • 2min
The Last Frontier
11:11 • 3min
Is It Bigger Than Globalization?
13:49 • 3min
Are We Going on Like This?
16:30 • 6min
You Can't Deny What He Done to Us, Um?
22:00 • 2min
The Last Psychiatrist
23:58 • 2min
Is It Hard Not to Take His Point to Heart?
25:36 • 5min
The Disguising Dreg Is a Disguising Dreg
30:11 • 5min
Those Principles Are Fungable When You Apply Them to Someone You Don't Like That Much
35:18 • 4min
How Do You Tell a Story?
39:09 • 5min
I'm Angrier Than I Was
43:56 • 3min
The Left Is Not Relevant to Me Anymore
46:31 • 4min
Are You Just Outraged by These Working Conditions?
50:22 • 2min
What the Internet Does Is Provide These Incredibly Strong Cases That Awaken All These Impulses, Right?
52:14 • 3min
The Falsity of the Media Narrative
55:15 • 4min
The Litmus Test
59:07 • 5min
Are You a Dead Eyed Believer?
01:04:05 • 2min
Is There a Hidden Narrative Under That?
01:06:24 • 2min
I Skippd Nacon, but I Did Have Drinks With Jady Vance, Like, a Lick, Shortly Before We Were Talking About Climate Stuff, and I Don't Know if He Went, and Is Off the Record, But, I'
01:08:38 • 4min
Rat, That's Not What's Happening Here
01:12:30 • 5min
Is There a Way to Reverse Disenchantment?
01:17:36 • 3min
Raw Milk Isn't. We Could Unpack It Now, Right?
01:20:32 • 4min
Is It the Opposite of This?
01:24:02 • 3min
The Forest Service Is Encredibly Interesting
01:27:08 • 2min
The Biggest Thing in American Forestry Is the Northwest Forest Plan
01:29:14 • 2min
The Northwest Forest Plan Changed the Shape of Government in the Pacific Northwest
01:30:54 • 5min
Um, You're Always Going to Win, Right?
01:35:41 • 6min
Environmental Justice
01:41:13 • 5min
The Patronage Conception of Politics
01:45:45 • 4min
Post Cold War Civil Rights Movements - Is This a Critique of the Black Nationalists?
01:50:10 • 2min
Is There Something Amusing About the Civil Rights Regime?
01:52:01 • 2min
The Rights Regime, Right?
01:54:04 • 2min
The Performance of Rights
01:55:56 • 2min
The Second Amendment and the Housing Crisis
01:58:02 • 6min
The Culture War Is a Curatorial Decision, Right?
02:03:43 • 5min
Porn Is Legal, but These Curatorial Systems Are Not Legal
02:09:05 • 3min
I'm Not Convinced That It's a Total Structural Impossibility, Right?
02:12:06 • 2min
Are We Going to Have a Ship Posting Vortex?
02:14:25 • 6min
Do You Think There's Going to Be as Much Withdrawal as People Talk About?
02:20:09 • 2min
Is America Born With an Honor Culture?
02:21:59 • 4min
Canadians and Quebec - Is Canada So Boring?
02:25:30 • 3min
Waterloo Is a Super Underrated Place With Incredibly Underrated Talent
02:28:15 • 6min
Isn't That Crazy?
02:34:00 • 2min
I Don't Think We're Going to Sea Like, Drastic Collapse, Right?
02:35:51 • 4min
What Happened in South Africa?
02:39:34 • 5min
Are We Going to End Up as a Functioning Polity?
02:44:45 • 2min
I'm a Bit More Sceptical of the Individual Good Than the Collective Good.
02:46:48 • 3min
The Enduring Power of the K G B System in Russia
02:49:50 • 3min
The American Project Was Not a Bloody Minded Retribution
02:53:06 • 4min
Are You Trying to Create a Tribe?
02:57:10 • 4min
The Great Failure of Classical Liberalism
03:00:42 • 4min
Is It Technocratic Liberalism?
03:04:50 • 2min
How to Get Back to a Sense of Moral Organizational Forces
03:07:00 • 2min
Isn't That a Disservice to the Republican Party?
03:09:08 • 5min
I'm Going to Be a Super Right Wing, Right?
03:13:50 • 2min
I Don't Think You Should Vote for More Republican Candidates, Right?
03:15:49 • 3min
I'd Like to Say That, but I Don't Want to Get Sued for Libel
03:18:50 • 2min
Twitter and the Left Project
03:20:58 • 6min
Is It a Part of the Left's Struggle?
03:27:01 • 2min
We Don't Like the Left
03:29:27 • 2min
Are You a Conservative?
03:31:05 • 3min
Is the Right Wing Project Compact a Right Wing Project?
03:34:31 • 3min
Are You Getting Too Many Assumptions From Your Twitter Feet?
03:37:43 • 2min
Are You Trying to Create a Situation of Political Comedy?
03:39:26 • 3min
I'm at a Point Where It's Genuinely Hard to Interact, Right?
03:42:03 • 4min
Do You Think There's a Sex Difference?
03:46:09 • 2min
Is There a Difference Between Men and Women in American Politics?
03:47:52 • 2min
Technocratic Liberalism, Arco Feminist?
03:49:41 • 4min
The Red Necked Fool Is Got Something
03:53:48 • 3min
The Paria, You Know?
03:56:44 • 2min
What Is the Dumb on Line, Right?
03:58:47 • 2min
Is There a Cycle of Retribution?
04:00:25 • 5min
Is It Malcolm Chane? Um, I Don't Think He Likes Me.
04:05:38 • 2min
I'm Agnostic About Immigration, but I Do Think It's Going to Happen.
04:07:31 • 4min
Are We Descended Into Adistopia?
04:11:41 • 2min
Is There a Positive Vision for the Lower Case De Democracy?
04:13:30 • 4min
Do We Have to Bring in Someone to Fix Everything?
04:17:58 • 3min
The Social Media System That Reengineered Human Psychology
04:20:44 • 2min
Is There a Rewriting of Human Psychology?
04:22:58 • 2min
Porn Hub Is a Great Example of Unveiled Human Preferences, Right?
04:25:15 • 2min
The Plether of Choice, the Plether of Stimulation, Sucks
04:27:11 • 2min
Is There a Minority Faction?
04:28:53 • 4min
The End of Day's Apocalypse
04:32:28 • 4min
Natcon Feels High Status
04:36:31 • 2min
Is This Just Oligarchy With Extra Steps?
04:38:44 • 2min
The Basic Promise of Red Caesarism
04:40:18 • 2min
The Elits Are Like Convincible
04:41:55 • 3min
Um, I Don't Think There Will Ever Be an Explanatory Answer
04:45:17 • 3min
Is There a Tension to Pick the Least Bad Option?
04:48:25 • 4min
Are You OK With Managed Decline?
04:52:18 • 2min
How America Managed Decline as Imperial Power Through That Era
04:54:38 • 2min
The Case to Managed Decline, Right?
04:56:16 • 3min
The Man Is Going to Kno. Ye, Jokeis, It's Not Going to Get Back to Him.
04:59:21 • 4min
The Longing for Normality
05:02:52 • 4min
Do You Think Elon Could Pull This Off?
05:06:31 • 3min
The Average Voter Is Much Less Like That
05:09:10 • 3min
I'm Going to Get in Trouble.
05:12:19 • 4min
James Pogue is a uniquely interest journalist and author of Chosen Country: a Rebellion in the West. You can find his work in Vanity Fair, Harper’s Magazine, and many more outlets.
Timestamps (You’ll need them this time):
0:00 American Mythology
17:00 Disenchantment
55:00 Truckers
1:01:00 Elite Theory
1:24:00 Forestry
1:48:00 Rights Regime
2:04:00 Social Media
2:36:00 De-Civilization
2:44:00 South Africa
3:01:00 Political Violence
4:00:00 The Deep Right
4:58:00 Ron Desantis
5:40:00 Principles
James on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/jhensonpogue
My interview with Curtis Yarvin:
Part 1 of My Series on NatCon:
Common Sense Piece on Trucker Protests
New Yorker Profile of Mark Milley:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/inside-the-war-between-trump-and-his-generals
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