
Product Thinking
Successful product management isn’t just about training the product managers who work side by side with developers everyday to build better products. It’s about taking a step back, approaching the systems within organizations as a whole, and leveling up product leadership to improve these systems. This is the Product Thinking Podcast, where Melissa Perri will connect with industry leading experts in the product management space, AND answer your most pressing questions about everything product. Join us each week to level up your skillset and invest in yourself as a product leader.
Latest episodes

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Jun 19, 2024 • 38min
Episode 176: Harnessing the Power of Product Principles: A Conversation with Debbie Widjaja of Zero Gravity
Debbie Widjaja, Chief Product Officer of Zero Gravity, discusses the transformative power of technology in product management. She highlights the importance of clear product principles, the relationship between principles and strategy, managing innovation in smaller companies, and aligning investor expectations with a company's mission. The conversation provides valuable insights into the future of product management.

Jun 12, 2024 • 48min
Episode 175: Evolution of Product Management and the Importance of Diverse Backgrounds with Ryan Johnson of CallRail
Product strategy expert, Ryan Johnson from CallRail, discusses the evolution of product management, importance of transparency, collaboration, and diverse backgrounds. He shares insights on moving to Chief Product Officer, effective communication of product roadmaps, and challenges of balancing innovation with growth goals and implementing AI technology.

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Jun 5, 2024 • 43min
Episode 174: Integrating AI & Transforming Workflows with Anthony Maggio, VP & Head of Product at Airtable
Join Melissa Perri in a lively chat with Anthony Maggio, the VP & Head of Product at Airtable. They dive into how Airtable integrates AI to enhance workflows, tackles digital supply chain challenges, and avoids strategy drift. Hear about Airtable's evolution from a flexible to vertical-focused platform, driven by customer proximity to their work and the software. A fascinating discussion on the impact of AI on product management and the importance of identifying AI opportunities in workflows.

May 29, 2024 • 44min
Episode 173: Building a Healthy Failure Culture for Innovation and Learning with Amy Edmondson, Professor at Harvard
Amy Edmondson, Professor at Harvard Business School, talks about the science of failing well and creating a healthy failure culture for innovation. She discusses the importance of psychological safety, distinguishing intelligent and unintelligent failure, and fostering a culture that values learning and experimentation within organizations.

May 22, 2024 • 47min
Episode 172: The Power of Culture: Unlocking High Performance in Your Company with Mark McNally, Chief Nobody at Nobody Studios
Mark McNally, a venture innovator at Nobody Studios, discusses building successful companies starting with market identification, product solving, and sales. Creating a culture where founders can fail and pivot is crucial. Venture studios offer resources to founders beyond funding, accelerating validation and growth. The podcast also explores rapid prototyping in product development and maintaining a startup mindset during company growth.

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May 15, 2024 • 1h 2min
Episode 171: Applying Military Tactics to Strategy Execution with Author Stephen Bungay
Author Stephen Bungay discusses his approach to strategy execution, highlighting the three gaps in execution - Knowledge, Alignment, and Effects. He provides military-like solutions for each gap, emphasizing clarity, briefing, and intent. Alignment struggles in product management are often due to a lack of clear intent, which can be resolved through effective leadership. The podcast delves into the importance of leading through intent, empowering teams through problem-oriented direction, and crafting a cohesive strategy for successful outcomes.

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May 8, 2024 • 49min
Episode 170: Unlocking the Future with the Power of Alignment with Margaret Jastrebski, SVP of Product at Tegus
Margaret Jastrebski, SVP of Product at Tegus, discusses the power of alignment within an organization, understanding sales and marketing, and the importance of vision for execution. Topics include the transition of Tegus to digital platforms, strategic growth in the industry, achieving alignment and collaboration across teams, and the challenges of gaining alignment in product management roles.

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May 1, 2024 • 43min
Episode 169: How Balancing Vulnerability with Ability is the Secret to Great Leadership with Author, Jacob Morgan
Author and speaker Jacob Morgan discusses the importance of balancing vulnerability and competency in leadership. He shares insights on leading with vulnerability, the challenges faced by CEOs, and practical approaches to navigate vulnerability in professional settings. The podcast explores the impact of vulnerability on team dynamics, personal leadership development, and creating a culture of trust within organizations.

Apr 24, 2024 • 45min
Episode 168: Cutting the Fat after a Crisis with Alex Wattrelos, Previous CPO of Sunday
Former CPO of Sunday, Alex Wattrelos, discusses challenges of rapid scaling and downsizing during the tech-crisis in the fin-tech industry. They delve into product vision struggles, differences in product management in Europe & US, and the importance of clear goals. Alex shares insights on thin slicing, MVP in product management, international market expansion strategies, and starting a new restaurant venture.

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Apr 17, 2024 • 45min
Episode 167: How to Use More Than 10% of Your Company's Brain with Aaron Smith, Chief Product Officer
Aaron Smith, Chief Product Officer of Pattern, shares key leadership principles and best practices from his time at Amazon. Topics include customer obsession, creating a culture of accountability, and the destiny creator mindset. The discussion explores transitioning from Amazon's culture to a new company, empowering product managers to think big, and unleashing innovation through idea-sharing.