How to Train Your Mind: Ancient Wisdom, Modern Science, and the Mindset of Excellence | Brian Johnson

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Jun 3, 2025

In this engaging discussion, Brian Johnson, the Founder of Heroic and a modern philosopher, shares insights on behavior change and the power of ancient wisdom, particularly stoicism. He explains why motivation often falters without structure and how anti-fragility can transform challenges into opportunities. Brian connects physical training to building character and emphasizes that personal responsibility is crucial for excellence. Listeners will find practical wisdom for bridging the gap between potential and action, ultimately fostering resilience and self-improvement.

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ANECDOTE

Serendipitous Meeting Story

Brian Johnson met his future wife before they even met in person through her messaging him online, showing a powerful example of destiny and serendipity.
She moved three blocks away from him before their first date without him knowing.

INSIGHT

Areté: Closing The Gap

The philosophy of Areté means living with virtue, excellence, and being your best self moment to moment.
The suffering comes from the gap between who you are and who you could be, so closing that gap leads to a good life.

INSIGHT

Understanding Anti-Fragility

Anti-fragility means getting stronger through challenges rather than just bouncing back or breaking.
Like a fire fueled by wind, challenges can make us better if we choose to double down on our practices.

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What if your biggest challenge isn’t motivation but missing structure? In this episode, I sit down with Brian Johnson to unpack the science and philosophy of lasting behavior change. We explore the power of ancient wisdom, stoicism, and the neuroscience of excellence, and why most wellness apps fail to deliver real transformation.

Brian shares his personal journey from startup success to creating a global movement around character, discipline, and identity-based habits. We talk about the science of anti-fragility, how muscle mirrors virtue, and why the gap between who you are and who you could be is the true source of suffering. Whether you're a high performer or someone who wants to stop breaking promises to yourself, this conversation will help you build the structure to show up as your best—no matter the circumstance.

What You’ll Learn:

Why most behavior change fails—and what the science says works
The philosophy of Areté: how to close the gap between potential and action
How ancient stoicism aligns with modern recovery, resilience, and muscle
Why building muscle is a metaphor (and mechanism) for building character
The true definition of anti-fragility—and how to train it

If you're ready to bridge the gap between knowing and doing, this episode is the roadmap you've been looking for.

Who is Brian Johnson?

Brian Johnson has spent half of the last 25 years as a Founder/CEO and the other half as a Philosopher. As a Founder/CEO, he’s made crowdfunding history and built and sold two market-leading social platforms. As a Philosopher, he created Philosopher’s Notes, wrote the bestselling book Areté: Activate Your Heroic Potential, and developed a protocol integrating ancient wisdom, modern science, and practical tools that has been scientifically proven to help people change their lives. Brian is featured in the documentary Finding Joe on the modern Hero’s Journey and has trained some of the world’s most elite performers. He lives in the country outside of Austin with his wife and two kids and is all in on fulfilling Heroic’s mission to help create a more noble and virtuous world in which 51% of humanity is flourishing by 2051.

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Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction: Philosophy meets behavioral science and the art of heroic living.

01:14 – Welcoming Brian Johnson and his journey into philosophy and personal growth.

03:27 – Brian’s early career and building online platforms pre-Facebook.

05:02 – Discussion about stoicism, virtues, and how Brian became interested in philosophy.

20:23 – The importance of teaching foundational principles like willpower and virtue to children.

22:44 – Identifying behaviors to optimize energy, work, and love.

31:23 – How tranquility, calm, and greatness require intentional thinking and reflection.

41:46 – Balancing ambition, virtue, and influence; discussion on noble motivations and leadership.

53:09 – Using physiology to control psychology, mental resilience, and self-management.

56:21 –The importance of quickly recovering emotional balance and equanimity.

1:01:22 – How recognizing and learning from past mistakes contributes to personal growth.

1:03:11 – Raising heroic children and living against the norms of a "sick society."

1:12:31 – Brian’s mission to help humanity flourish and his personal commitment symbolized by a tattoo.

1:14:36 – Brian discusses his book, Arete, and how to cultivate personal excellence.

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