Engineering Enablement by Abi Noda

A better way to measure developer productivity | A special episode with Laura Tacho and Abi Noda

May 16, 2023

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Laura Tacho

Abi Noda

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Space framework offers developer-centric metrics focused on sentiment and collaboration.

New paper introduces dimensions like flow state and feedback loops for enhancing developer experience.

Combining perception and workflow data provides a holistic view for measuring and improving developer productivity.

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New Paper Introduces Developer Productivity Framework

The podcast episode discusses a new paper written by Avi Nura, Dr. Nicole Forsgren, Margarina and Suri, and Michaela Grayler. This paper, published in ACM, offers a fresh framework for measuring and enhancing developer productivity, expanding on previous research. Laura Tacko, a former engineering director at CloudBees, joins the conversation to explore common ineffective metrics used by organizations, the evolution of frameworks like Dora and Space, and detailed topics from the paper focusing on the concept of developer experience and how to enhance it.

Organizational Improvement is what makes them reach out to DORA

00:34

DORA vs SPACE

00:24

Using survey-based metrics for developer productivity and performance

01:47

Effective Measurement Strategies for Productivity Improvement

00:33

Introduction

2min

The Evolution of Engineering Metrics

2min

How to Use Get Prime to Get Your Team to Trust You

3min

How to Measure Engineering and Engineering Metrics

2min

The Impossible Quest to Measure Developer Productivity

2min

What Is Developer Experience?

2min

The Importance of Developer Experience

5min

The Evolution of Dora

4min

The Limitations of Dora Metrics

2min

10.

How to Increase Lead Time With Dora Metrics

3min

11.

The Limits of Dora Metrics

4min

12.

The Consolation of Different Metrics

3min

13.

The Challenges of Using Space in Organizations

2min

14.

The Importance of Space in Organizational Performance

2min

15.

How to Measure Developer Experience

2min

16.

The Three Pillars of Developer Experience

2min

17.

How to Optimize the Developer Experience

2min

18.

The Three Dimensions of Developer Satisfaction

3min

19.

The Importance of Focusing on Perception and Opinion of Developers

3min

20.

How to Measure Code Reviews Perception and Workflow

2min

21.

How to Measure Perceptions in Engineering

3min

22.

The Advantages of Survey Based Metrics

3min

23.

The Three Dimensions of Developer Productivity

3min

24.

How to Integrate Devux Principles and Dimensions Into Your Work

2min

25.

How to Scale Your Engineering Culture to Measure Developer Satisfaction

2min

26.

The Theory of Space: A Practical Approach

2min

In this episode, Abi is interviewed by Laura Tacho about the new paper he co-authored with Dr. Nicole Forsgren, Dr. Margaret-Anne Storey, and Dr. Michaela Greiler. Abi and Laura discuss the pitfalls of some of the common metrics organizations use, and how the new paper builds on prior frameworks such as DORA and SPACE to offer a new approach to measuring and improving developer productivity.

Discussion topics:

(2:20) Laura’s background
(3:59) Laura’s view on git metrics
(11:05) What developer experience (DevEx) is
(14:37) How the authors came together for this paper
(18:55) How DORA and SPACE are different
(22:38) Limitations of DORA metrics
(24:43) Employing the DORA metrics at GitHub
(27:47) What the SPACE framework is
(30:44) Whether to use DORA or SPACE or both
(33:54) Limitations of the SPACE framework
(37:29) The need for a new approach
(38:46) What the new DevEx paper solves
(40:13) The three dimensions of developer experience
(40:54) Flow state
(43:10) Feedback loops
(43:52) Cognitive load
(44:51) Why developer sentiment matters
(47:58) Using both perceptual and workflow measures
(50:59) Examples of perceptual and workflow measures
(54:05) How to collect metrics
(59:47) How other companies are measuring and improving developer experience
(01:02:56) Advice for earlier-stage or growing organizations

Resources for learning more about the DevEx framework:

Read the new paper on ACM Queue

Read Abi’s announcement about the new paper

Read how top companies measure developer productivity

Connect with Abi and Laura

Connect with Laura on LinkedIn or Twitter

Connect with Abi on LinkedIn or Twitter

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Engineering Enablement by Abi Noda

A better way to measure developer productivity | A special episode with Laura Tacho and Abi Noda

Episode guests

Podcast summary created with Snipd AI

Quick takeaways

Deep dives

New Paper Introduces Developer Productivity Framework

Unveiling the Space Framework for Developer Productivity

Evolving Towards Developer Experience Framework

Dimensions of Developer Experience: Flow State and Motivation

Comprehensive Measurement of Developer Experience: Surveys and System Data

Organizational Improvement is what makes them reach out to DORA

DORA vs SPACE

Using survey-based metrics for developer productivity and performance

Effective Measurement Strategies for Productivity Improvement

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Engineering Enablement by Abi Noda

A better way to measure developer productivity | A special episode with Laura Tacho and Abi Noda

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Quick takeaways

Deep dives

New Paper Introduces Developer Productivity Framework

Unveiling the Space Framework for Developer Productivity

Evolving Towards Developer Experience Framework

Dimensions of Developer Experience: Flow State and Motivation

Comprehensive Measurement of Developer Experience: Surveys and System Data

Organizational Improvement is what makes them reach out to DORA

DORA vs SPACE

Using survey-based metrics for developer productivity and performance

Effective Measurement Strategies for Productivity Improvement

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