In this episode, Abi is interviewed by Laura Tacho about the new paper he co-authored with Dr. Nicole Forsgren, Dr. Margaret-Anne Storey, and Dr. Michaela Greiler. Abi and Laura discuss the pitfalls of some of the common metrics organizations use, and how the new paper builds on prior frameworks such as DORA and SPACE to offer a new approach to measuring and improving developer productivity. Discussion topics:(2:20) Laura’s background(3:59) Laura’s view on git metrics(11:05) What developer experience (DevEx) is (14:37) How the authors came together for this paper (18:55) How DORA and SPACE are different(22:38) Limitations of DORA metrics (24:43) Employing the DORA metrics at GitHub(27:47) What the SPACE framework is(30:44) Whether to use DORA or SPACE or both(33:54) Limitations of the SPACE framework(37:29) The need for a new approach (38:46) What the new DevEx paper solves (40:13) The three dimensions of developer experience (40:54) Flow state (43:10) Feedback loops(43:52) Cognitive load (44:51) Why developer sentiment matters(47:58) Using both perceptual and workflow measures(50:59) Examples of perceptual and workflow measures (54:05) How to collect metrics (59:47) How other companies are measuring and improving developer experience(01:02:56) Advice for earlier-stage or growing organizationsResources for learning more about the DevEx framework:Read the new paper on ACM QueueRead Abi’s announcement about the new paper Read how top companies measure developer productivity Connect with Abi and Laura Sign up for Laura’s course, Measuring Development Team PerformanceConnect with Laura on LinkedIn or TwitterConnect with Abi on LinkedIn or Twitter

CTO Laura Tacho and CEO Abi Noda discuss DORA, SPACE, and DevEx frameworks, their benefits, and challenges. They share insights on choosing the right framework, using DORA effectively, and practical applications in organizations.

As your startup scales it's not enough to know what to measure - you have to know WHEN to measure. Metrics that are important in one growth phase might not be in the next.To help us make sense of it all, we invited Laura Tacho onto the show. Laura is a VP of Engineering & Leadership Coach, and an expert when it comes to startup growth and metrics, having worked with over 125 different companies. We love this episode because it takes a team-first approach to metrics and then relates those metrics back to the growth of your organization. Whether you are a seasoned engineering leader or an IC trying to understand where your team is headed, this unique take on metrics will set your team up for success - and happiness - in 2023. Show NotesMeasuring Development Team Performance coursehttps://lauratacho.com/Support the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever

Laura Tacho, CTO at DX, discusses measuring engineering productivity, finding value metrics, easing pressure, DevEx framework, empowering DevEx in business, responsibilities ownership, and DevEx integration patterns.

Laura Tacho, CTO at DX and advocate for enhancing developer experience, discusses the critical link between developer satisfaction and business success. She explores how trust in developers to identify their challenges leads to innovation. The conversation highlights that inefficient processes can waste about 20% of developers' time, emphasizing the need for effective measurement and communication. Laura also introduces the concept of 'green build feeling'—the joy of quick wins in engineering, showcasing the motivation behind seamless software development.