
Experiment Nation: The Podcast
Every week we share:
- Interviews with the Best Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO) professionals and Experimenters from around the world
- Conference sessions / Tutorials
Recent recognition:
- Top 10% of most followed Podcasts on Spotify
Latest episodes

Aug 3, 2024 • 40min
S4E23 - CRO isn’t just for marketers with Kelly Wortham
Kelly Wortham dropped some serious knowledge bombs in our recent Experiment Nation chat. Here’s what stood out:
- CRO isn’t just for marketers: Lawyers, project managers, even developers can thrive in this field. It’s all about a love of learning and adaptability.
- Don’t underestimate the power of mentorship: Kelly has THREE mentors, each focusing on different aspects of her career. Find your own advisors to help you grow!
- Certifications are nice, but experience trumps all: While CXL is great, hands-on testing platform experience is the real deal.
- UX psychology is CRUCIAL: Understand your users’ motivations and behaviors to create truly effective tests.

Jul 26, 2024 • 37min
S4E22 - Don’t rely on macro goals with Gursimran (Simar) Gujral
Simar, CEO and Founder of OptiPhoenix, shared invaluable insights on A/B testing and CRO at Experiment Nation. Here are 5 key takeaways:
Don’t rely solely on macro goals: Micro goals reveal user behavior, driving better testing strategies and informing future hypotheses.
Iterative testing trumps scrapping: Learn from failed tests by adjusting hypotheses and running new experiments, boosting your win rate.
QA is critical, but often neglected: Invest time in thorough QA, ensuring your test is accurate and integrated correctly.
Outsourcing AB test development can be beneficial: Consider outsourcing for faster scale-up, access to expert resources, and reduced development burden.
Prioritize experimentation within your workflow: Make A/B testing an integral part of your product development process, leading to better decisions and faster results.

Jul 19, 2024 • 30min
S4E21 - Navigating Experimentation at Startups with Avishek Basu Mallick
Avishek Basu Mallick, a Senior PM at CheapOair, talks about:
- Experimentation at scale: Even with high traffic, rigorous experimentation is crucial.
- Idea generation: User research, NPS surveys, and internal stakeholders are valuable sources of experiment ideas.
- Communicating progress: Regular updates with leadership build trust and ensure alignment.
- Personalization is nuanced: Distinguish between customization, segmentation, and true personalization.
- Generative AI’s potential: Explore its use for simplifying the travel planning experience.

Jul 12, 2024 • 38min
S4E20 - People are the biggest challenge featuring Michael St Laurent
Michael St Laurent, a seasoned CRO expert, shared his insights on large-scale testing Here are 5 key takeaways for marketers:
Prioritization is key: Large-scale testing requires prioritizing tests based on potential impact and aligning with overall business goals.
AI is the future, but humans guide it: Mike emphasizes the power of AI in automating processes and analyzing data, but highlights the importance of human expertise and guidance.
Data quality is crucial: AI models rely heavily on the quality of data. Invest in building a robust data infrastructure to ensure accurate results.
People are the biggest challenge: Navigating internal politics and managing stakeholder expectations is often the biggest hurdle for large-scale testing.
Building a testing culture is a win: The ultimate goal of large-scale testing is to create a data-driven culture that fosters continuous improvement and better user experiences.

Jul 6, 2024 • 40min
S4E19 - Start Small and Stay Curious featuring Ellie Hughes
Ellie Hughes, a top CRO expert and Experimentor of the Year, shares vital insights for enhancing your experimentation strategies. She emphasizes starting small while remaining curious, focusing on impactful activities rather than mundane tasks. Clear client communication and setting expectations are essential for success. Ellie advocates for embracing iteration and encourages thinking big to maximize impact. Learn how personal frustrations can spark growth and discover the importance of data in understanding customer behavior for effective decision-making.

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Jun 29, 2024 • 49min
S4E18 - Using measurement to test on low-traffic sites featuring Chris Mercer
In this discussion, Chris Mercer, a conversion rate optimization expert for low-traffic websites, shares invaluable insights into the art of measurement. He emphasizes the importance of understanding user behavior before any optimization efforts. Sequential testing is highlighted as a more effective approach than traditional A/B testing for sites with limited traffic. Chris also stresses the necessity of focusing on metrics that drive lead generation and revenue, while also advocating for feedback-driven strategies and the automation of measurement using Google Analytics 4.

Jun 22, 2024 • 40min
S4E17 - Build a Learning Library featuring Nick Murphy
Join Nick Murphy, Senior Research and Experimentation Lead at Further, as he shares insights into building effective learning libraries that enhance experimentation. He emphasizes capturing the ‘why’ behind tests to foster a culture of growth. Discover how organizing your library can facilitate cross-team collaboration and inform decision-making. Nick also discusses the importance of early documentation and how macro learnings can support consultancy practices, paving the way for a deeper understanding of consumer behavior.

Jun 14, 2024 • 51min
S4E16 - How To Build An Unstoppable Alliance With CX Feat. Courtney Leblanc
In this episode, senior customer experience leader, Courtney LeBlanc, reveals the ideal partnership between CX and experimenters and shares invaluable insights on:
Forging powerful partnerships between CX and experimenters
Navigating the daily demands of a CX leader
Simplifying CX workflows with customer insights
... and so much more!
Don't miss out on this enlightening conversation from an expert in the CX game!
Find Courtney on LinkedIn ⤵
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/courtney-leblanc-426920b3/
00:00 Introduction and Mutual Appreciation
00:27 Meet Courtney: Customer Support and CX Expert
03:38 Building an Alliance with Customer Support
06:11 Challenges and Strategies in CX Collaboration
14:25 Data Analysis and Insights Sharing
23:01 The Ideal Partnership Between CX and Experimentation
24:47 Balancing Customer Insights and Business Priorities
26:46 The Emotional Impact of Customer Support
28:29 Communicating Customer Stories Effectively
30:04 Leveraging NPS Data for Product Improvement
32:08 Empowering Teams with Data Access
33:06 The Importance of Experiment Communication
37:53 Fostering Collaboration Between CX and Product Teams
48:58 Reflecting on Growth and Collaboration
50:22 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Jun 7, 2024 • 49min
S4E15 - Product Experimentation: How to get Product Managers to Experiment ft. Shagun Aulakh
How do you get Product Managers to adopt Experimentation? Shagun Aulakh, the Director of Product Management - Experimentation at American Express shares with Rommil here tips. Here are just a few of the takeaways:
1- Leadership advocacy is critical for embedding experimentation practices in a highly matrixed organization.
2 - Prioritize education and internal PR to influence and persuade teams to embrace experimentation.
3- Define success metrics for your experimentation program and map out a long-term plan for evolving maturity.
5 - Identify champions within the organization to inspire and motivate other teams to adopt experimentation practices.
5 - Democratize insights and share success stories to showcase the value and impact of experimentation.
Watch Shagun here:
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Jun 1, 2024 • 32min
S4E14 - AI and the Experimentation Lifecycle featuring Joey Herzberg
In this episode, we have Joey Herzberg who shares his thoughts on how AI fits in the experimentation life cycle, the utility of keeping easily referenced records of test results, and the importance of experimentation strategy with regard to sample ratios.