

Experiment Nation: The Podcast
Rommil Santiago's Experiment Nation
Every week we share:
- Interviews with the Best Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO) professionals and Experimenters from around the world
- Conference sessions / Tutorials
Recent recognition:
- Top 10% of most followed Podcasts on Spotify
- Interviews with the Best Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO) professionals and Experimenters from around the world
- Conference sessions / Tutorials
Recent recognition:
- Top 10% of most followed Podcasts on Spotify
Episodes
Mentioned books

10 snips
Jun 29, 2024 • 49min
S4E18 - Using measurement to test on low-traffic sites featuring Chris Mercer
In this discussion, Chris Mercer, a conversion rate optimization expert for low-traffic websites, shares invaluable insights into the art of measurement. He emphasizes the importance of understanding user behavior before any optimization efforts. Sequential testing is highlighted as a more effective approach than traditional A/B testing for sites with limited traffic. Chris also stresses the necessity of focusing on metrics that drive lead generation and revenue, while also advocating for feedback-driven strategies and the automation of measurement using Google Analytics 4.

Jun 22, 2024 • 40min
S4E17 - Build a Learning Library featuring Nick Murphy
Join Nick Murphy, Senior Research and Experimentation Lead at Further, as he shares insights into building effective learning libraries that enhance experimentation. He emphasizes capturing the ‘why’ behind tests to foster a culture of growth. Discover how organizing your library can facilitate cross-team collaboration and inform decision-making. Nick also discusses the importance of early documentation and how macro learnings can support consultancy practices, paving the way for a deeper understanding of consumer behavior.

Jun 14, 2024 • 51min
S4E16 - How To Build An Unstoppable Alliance With CX Feat. Courtney Leblanc
In this episode, senior customer experience leader, Courtney LeBlanc, reveals the ideal partnership between CX and experimenters and shares invaluable insights on:
Forging powerful partnerships between CX and experimenters
Navigating the daily demands of a CX leader
Simplifying CX workflows with customer insights
... and so much more!
Don't miss out on this enlightening conversation from an expert in the CX game!
Find Courtney on LinkedIn ⤵
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/courtney-leblanc-426920b3/
00:00 Introduction and Mutual Appreciation
00:27 Meet Courtney: Customer Support and CX Expert
03:38 Building an Alliance with Customer Support
06:11 Challenges and Strategies in CX Collaboration
14:25 Data Analysis and Insights Sharing
23:01 The Ideal Partnership Between CX and Experimentation
24:47 Balancing Customer Insights and Business Priorities
26:46 The Emotional Impact of Customer Support
28:29 Communicating Customer Stories Effectively
30:04 Leveraging NPS Data for Product Improvement
32:08 Empowering Teams with Data Access
33:06 The Importance of Experiment Communication
37:53 Fostering Collaboration Between CX and Product Teams
48:58 Reflecting on Growth and Collaboration
50:22 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Jun 7, 2024 • 49min
S4E15 - Product Experimentation: How to get Product Managers to Experiment ft. Shagun Aulakh
How do you get Product Managers to adopt Experimentation? Shagun Aulakh, the Director of Product Management - Experimentation at American Express shares with Rommil here tips. Here are just a few of the takeaways:
1- Leadership advocacy is critical for embedding experimentation practices in a highly matrixed organization.
2 - Prioritize education and internal PR to influence and persuade teams to embrace experimentation.
3- Define success metrics for your experimentation program and map out a long-term plan for evolving maturity.
5 - Identify champions within the organization to inspire and motivate other teams to adopt experimentation practices.
5 - Democratize insights and share success stories to showcase the value and impact of experimentation.
Watch Shagun here:
Experimentation Elite in Birmingham UK: https://experimentationelite.com/#spe...
Growth Marketing Summit in Frankfurt, Germany: https://www.growthmarketingsummit.com/en

Jun 1, 2024 • 32min
S4E14 - AI and the Experimentation Lifecycle featuring Joey Herzberg
In this episode, we have Joey Herzberg who shares his thoughts on how AI fits in the experimentation life cycle, the utility of keeping easily referenced records of test results, and the importance of experimentation strategy with regard to sample ratios.

May 25, 2024 • 52min
S4E13 - Use automation to build optimal flow states with Shawn David
Expert Shawn David discusses human-first engineering, breaking tasks for efficiency, discovering automation opportunities to remove menial work, impacts on company culture, navigating hype around AI, and enhancing productivity through automating processes.

May 18, 2024 • 27min
S4E12 - Being Purpose-Driven in CRO: How to Focus on the Right Things featuring Jyoti Malik
Jyoti Malik, the founder of Blue Bagels, built a successful CRO agency by only working with ethical brands. In this chat with Tracy Laranjo, she shares:
How to run CRO programs with purpose instead of random guesses
- Her favourite underrated user research methods
- Tips for creating a CRO strategy that succeeds in the long-term
... And much more.
Contact Jyoti:
Website: https://www.bluebagels.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jyotiisingh
Email: jyoti@bluebagels.com
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Experiment Nation and Guest Introduction
00:48 Jyoti Malan's Journey and the Essence of Blue Bagels
02:26 The Philosophy Behind Purpose-Driven Brands
05:43 Crafting Purposeful CRO Programs
08:32 Identifying and Correcting Off-Track CRO Programs
17:36 Unconventional Research Methods in CRO
21:06 Adapting and Evolving CRO Strategies
24:41 Upcoming Projects and Closing Thoughts

7 snips
May 3, 2024 • 31min
S4E11 - The Challenges of Building a Culture of Experimentation: Insights from Industry Leader Nima Yassini
Nima Yassini, Founder and former CEO of New Republic, shares his insights on cultivating a culture of experimentation in digital marketing. He discusses the integration of UX design and conversion rate optimization, emphasizing the value of data-driven decisions. Nima addresses the political and operational hurdles agencies face in embedding this culture and the need for strong leadership. He also highlights the challenges of multidisciplinary hiring and offers resources to support experimentation initiatives in both agency and in-house settings.

Apr 27, 2024 • 35min
S4E10 - Don't A/B Test?! featuring Solomon Kahn
CEO and founder of Decision Layer, Solomon Kahn chats with Rommil Santiago about why he thinks that most companies should not be A/B testing and shares what we should instead. He also discusses his recent debate with Ron Kohavi on LinkedIn on this same topic.
Solomon's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/solomonkahn
Solomon's email: solomon.kahn@gmail.com
Original YouTube Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqPylhO3ePU
Original LinkedIn Post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/solomonkahn_the-case-against-ab-testing-yes-i-know-activity-7184577272685719552-hFAB
Ron's reply: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ronnyk_abtesting-experimentguide-abtestingissues-activity-7185060367054565376-cAU9

Apr 19, 2024 • 34min
S4E9 - Experiment Nation's 2024 CRO Salary Report and how to paid what you're worth with Tracy Laranjo
In this discussion, Tracy Laranjo, an expert on CRO compensation, dives into the highlights of the 2024 CRO Salary Report. Tracy reveals the growing importance of salary transparency and the rising median salaries in the field. She addresses significant pay disparities, especially for women, and the dissatisfaction among junior professionals. Tracy emphasizes valuing oneself in competitive markets and the shifting mindset on job tenure, advocating for personal satisfaction over traditional career paths. Insights on self-reflection and storytelling for job seekers add a powerful touch.