

Creator Science
Jay Clouse
Creating content has never been easier—but breaking through the noise has gotten harder.
The only reliable way to grow as a creator is through systematic observation, experimentation, and iteration. This podcast is your weekly guide to evidence-backed strategies you can test in your own business.
Each episode features candid conversations with creators like James Clear, Ali Abdaal, Tim Urban, and Codie Sanchez. We explore what's actually working for them: the experiments they're running, the data they're tracking, and the frameworks they use to grow their audience, build trust, and increase income.
We dig into why it worked, how you can adapt it, and what constraints or anti-goals helped them stay focused and avoid burnout.
Hosted by Signal Award-winner Jay Clouse, this is a show about the business of content—from a place of curiosity, transparency, and a commitment to sustainable growth.
It's growth for creators, down to a science.
The only reliable way to grow as a creator is through systematic observation, experimentation, and iteration. This podcast is your weekly guide to evidence-backed strategies you can test in your own business.
Each episode features candid conversations with creators like James Clear, Ali Abdaal, Tim Urban, and Codie Sanchez. We explore what's actually working for them: the experiments they're running, the data they're tracking, and the frameworks they use to grow their audience, build trust, and increase income.
We dig into why it worked, how you can adapt it, and what constraints or anti-goals helped them stay focused and avoid burnout.
Hosted by Signal Award-winner Jay Clouse, this is a show about the business of content—from a place of curiosity, transparency, and a commitment to sustainable growth.
It's growth for creators, down to a science.
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Jun 22, 2021 • 1h 4min
#62: Jay Clouse (interviewed by Ryan Hawk!) – Turning the tables for a crossover episode with The Learning Leader Show
Ryan Hawk, host of The Learning Leader Show, takes the mic to uncover the creative journey of Jay Clouse. They dive into Jay's motivations for podcasting and the transformative power of creativity. Commitment is hailed as the key creative skill you need today. The duo also emphasizes the importance of storytelling in sales and how it shapes consumer behavior. They explore what it means to produce 'A-plus work' that builds community, and share insights into authentic podcasting hacks. It's a heartwarming blend of personal tales and invaluable career lessons!

Jun 15, 2021 • 57min
#61: Ryan Hawk – How a top podcaster approaches outreach, interviewing, and prioritizing new projects
Ryan Hawk, a keynote speaker and host of The Learning Leader Show, shares his journey from a corporate VP to a top podcaster. He dives into effective cold outreach strategies, emphasizing the art of personalizing communications. Ryan recalls the nerves tied to interviewing high-profile guests and the paramount role of preparation in standing out. He discusses the joy of creating heartfelt connections during interviews and the importance of consistency in podcasting while balancing his creative ambitions with family life.

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Jun 8, 2021 • 51min
#60: Brennan Dunn – Combining personalization and automation for next-level email marketing
Brennan Dunn, a leading email marketing expert and creator of RightMessage and Mastering ConvertKit, shares his journey from freelancer to successful SaaS entrepreneur. He highlights the transformative power of personalization in email marketing, revealing how it boosts revenue and enhances audience experience. Brennan discusses the importance of automation and customer insights in evolving marketing strategies, emphasizing the need for alignment between services and client needs. His insights are perfect for anyone looking to elevate their marketing game.

Jun 1, 2021 • 52min
#59: Mignon Fogarty – Making the case for shorter podcasts with a Podcasting Hall of Famer and New York Times best-selling author
Mignon Fogarty, the founder of the Quick and Dirty Tips network and creator of the beloved Grammar Girl podcast, shares her journey from technical writing to podcasting success. She discusses the evolution of Grammar Girl, emphasizing the benefits of shorter episodes to engage listeners. Mignon explores the challenges of podcast production, collaboration in content creation, and her passion for innovative learning. She also reflects on navigating the shifting media landscape and the importance of maintaining content quality while fostering audience relationships.

May 27, 2021 • 48min
BONUS: Freelance to Founder
In this engaging conversation, web designer Keegan Lanier shares his journey from side hustler to aspiring full-time entrepreneur. He grapples with the uncertainties of relying on referrals and seeks strategies to attract more local clients. The hosts guide him through critical tactics, emphasizing the importance of networking and becoming a local expert. They also discuss the benefits of monthly payment plans for financial stability and the challenges in finding reliable talent. Keegan's quest for growth and sustainable business practices inspires listeners on their own freelancing journeys.

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May 25, 2021 • 59min
#58: Courtland Allen – Building (and selling!) a business creating community for Indie Hackers
Courtland Allen, creator of the thriving Indie Hackers community and a Y Combinator alum, shares his journey from MIT graduate to successful entrepreneur. He discusses why he doesn't recommend quitting your job prematurely and the importance of community for indie hackers. Courtland reflects on the lessons learned from his early failures and the role of customer engagement in shaping Indie Hackers. He also explores how AI is transforming online businesses and expresses optimism for the future of entrepreneurship in a technology-driven world.

May 20, 2021 • 12min
#57: Let's talk about comparison traps
Discover the importance of community in fostering creative growth and collaboration. The speaker shares personal experiences with comparison traps common in today's social media landscape. Gain insights on how to shift your focus from envy to embracing your unique journey. Learn practical tips on leveraging supportive networks to enhance your creativity and income.

May 18, 2021 • 58min
#56: Allen Gannett – Writing The Creative Curve, receiving feedback gracefully, and tapping into your innate creativity
Allen Gannett, author of "The Creative Curve" and former CEO of TrackMaven, dives into the art of nurturing creativity. He shares insights on turning ambitious ideas into successful ventures, emphasizing the importance of feedback in the creative process. Gannett discusses how blending quantitative data with creativity can enhance artistic endeavors. He also highlights the challenges of merging personal and professional identities while navigating the tech landscape. Lastly, he encourages the practice of deep consumption for fostering innovative ideas.

May 11, 2021 • 1h 37min
BONUS: Behind the scenes of Creative Elements and my creative career (Everything Is Marketing)
Corey Haines, creator of Swipe Files and host of Everything Is Marketing, shares insights from his creative journey. He details his transition from selling services to digital products and his secret plans for authoring a book. Corey discusses the rollercoaster of building communities, the impact of strategic guest selections on podcast growth, and the importance of meaningful engagement. He emphasizes the challenges of maintaining quality as audiences grow, making it a captivating listen for aspiring creators.

Apr 27, 2021 • 57min
#54: Corbett Barr – Why this pioneering digital creator is rebooting his entire online identity
Corbett Barr, the founder of Fizzle, shares his journey in the digital creator space since 2005. He discusses the evolution of his platform and the importance of cultivating engaged online communities. Corbett emphasizes the need for a digital reboot, advocating for clarity in one's online identity and focusing on genuine interactions. He reflects on how creators can navigate the emotional challenges of their work while also revealing strategies for managing content and SEO effectively. It's an insightful dive into the ever-changing landscape of digital creation.


