
Industry Relations
This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider’s perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.
Latest episodes

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Apr 16, 2025 • 1h 9min
Who's Your Daddy?
Zillow's new enforcement of the Clear Cooperation Policy is a game-changer for real estate listings. The hosts debate its impact on major brokerages like Compass and eXp, questioning how it might reshape marketing strategies. They discuss the power struggle between Zillow and the National Association of Realtors, exploring how this affects industry governance and transparency. Engaging with live audience insights, they reflect on the implications for sellers, buyers, and the overall marketplace dynamic. This conversation dives deep into the shifting landscape of real estate.

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Apr 9, 2025 • 53min
Does Size Matter?
The hosts dive into the evolving landscape of the Clear Cooperation Policy and its ramifications for brokerages and MLSs. They explore how exclusive inventory strategies are shaking up competition and attracting scrutiny from the DOJ. The discussion highlights the challenges for smaller firms against large players in the real estate game. They also share insights from a recent conference, revealing the nuances of casual networking and the complexities of MLS data management. Get ready for a vibrant look at what the future holds for agents and consumers!

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Apr 2, 2025 • 56min
Clear as mud
The hosts tackle the Clear Cooperation Policy and its impending changes for real estate practices. They analyze the DOJ's investigation into the National Association of Realtors, discussing potential shifts in the industry. Next, they break down the evolving landscape of MLS policies and how major brokerages are adjusting to these challenges. The conversation dives into the implications for agents and the broader market dynamics, highlighting the ongoing power shifts within the real estate ecosystem.

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Mar 26, 2025 • 1h 2min
Has the fat lady sung on CCP?
The podcast dissects the ongoing drama surrounding the Clear Cooperation Policy and the DOJ's stance on MLS regulations. A deep dive into the implications of DOJ statements exposes potential misinterpretations. The hosts debate whether large brokerages are gaining too much power over MLS data, challenging traditional listings. They also explore how exclusive lists could reshape the future of real estate. As the narrative on the Chinese Communist Party shifts, listeners are left pondering the potential for significant changes in both real estate and global politics.

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Mar 19, 2025 • 53min
Organized Real Estate's Head Spinning Week
Major real estate news shakes the industry this week. Rumors fly about Compass potentially acquiring Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices, though the BHHS CEO strongly denies it. Meanwhile, the merger between Redfin and Rocket is set to disrupt the brokerage landscape, pushing them closer to competing with Zillow. The National Association of Realtors' proposal to make Clear Cooperation Policies optional raises concerns about legal liabilities and MLS compliance. Could these changes signal a larger shift in traditional brokerages?

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Mar 13, 2025 • 1h 4min
More questions than answers
Explore the latest upheavals in real estate as major players like Gary Keller innovate and face challenges. Discover the implications of REX's legal setbacks against Zillow and NAR. Tune in to the unveiling of AREA, a new alternative from Umansky and Haber, and how its policies could reshape collaboration. Delve into the Department of Justice’s surprising focus on MLS monopolies rather than commission structures. This engaging discussion is sprinkled with sharp analysis and a touch of sarcasm—perfect for real estate enthusiasts!

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Mar 5, 2025 • 54min
The Duel over Dual Agency
The podcast dives into the heated debate over dual agency in real estate, questioning its ethics and impact on buyers and sellers. It highlights the controversial practices of major players like Compass and their influence on the MLS. The discussion tackles why brokerages seem to get a pass on dual agency while teams are scrutinized. Listeners will find insights on the balance between protecting small brokers and the future of private networks in the industry. Expect unfiltered takes on the state of real estate and its evolving landscape.

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Feb 26, 2025 • 58min
Let Freedom Ring!
A heated debate unfolds over the Phoenix Realtors' compromise with NAR, questioning if it's a strategic win or the start of a bigger transformation. The rise of the 'Freedom Plan' could alter Realtor membership dynamics, prompting other associations to consider similar paths. While discussing the implications of Non-Member MLS Access, the hosts predict a major shakeup in how local real estate associations operate. With a mix of bold predictions and humor, this conversation is essential for anyone tracking the evolving landscape of industry governance.

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Feb 19, 2025 • 39min
Live from the Virtual MLS Summit its Rob and Greg!
This live discussion tackles the evolving meaning of cooperation in real estate, especially as compensation models shift. The hosts debate whether MLSs should remain broker cooperatives or if associations hold too much power. They delve into the complexities of fiduciary duties and trust, emphasizing the importance of transparency. Moreover, global perspectives reveal why other countries admire the U.S. MLS system, raising concerns about potential losses if major changes occur. Prepare for some heated exchanges between the hosts!

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Feb 12, 2025 • 59min
What to do about Zombies
The debate rages on about the necessity of NAR's fight for survival. Bold real estate leaders like Michelle Harrington are advocating for authenticity over corporate jargon. With a recent settlement of $10.5 million, smaller brokerages feel the pressure of rising legal challenges. The discussion contrasts engaged 'super members' with the disengaged 'zombie members', emphasizing the need for genuine connections. Should NAR have surrendered years ago to avoid these issues? It's a thought-provoking examination of the industry's current landscape.