

Industry Relations
Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson
This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider's perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.
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Sep 17, 2025 • 1h 2min
The Mirror
Rob and Greg unpack the shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk, exploring its profound impact on society and the real estate industry. They dive into the troubling responses from industry leaders and the celebration of violence witnessed online. The duo questions the consistency of corporate and organizational statements compared to past incidents, urging for accountability and clearer messaging. The conversation emphasizes the need for civil discourse amidst rising polarization and hopes for reduced harmful rhetoric across divides.

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Sep 10, 2025 • 59min
Housing remedies and Compass musings
The hosts dive into the urgent challenge of housing affordability, pondering a potential national emergency declaration. They discuss various federal strategies like deregulation and incentives to stimulate zoning reforms. A lively debate unfolds around mortgage financing, weighing homeownership benefits against price inflation issues. The conversation shifts to Zillow's new policies, exploring their impact on exclusive listings and Compass's inventory trends. The episode also reflects on the tension between local regulations and the need for more multifamily developments.

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Sep 3, 2025 • 50min
Give Me Some Knobs!
Rob and Greg explore the delicate balance between technology and human connection in real estate. They discuss the trend towards tech minimalism and the allure of 'dumb phones' as a response to screen fatigue. The duo questions whether AI is genuinely transformative or simply overhyped, emphasizing the need for thoughtful tech application. They highlight Opendoor's new strategy to integrate agents earlier and debate the value of in-person interactions versus digital conveniences. Ultimately, they advocate for a strategic approach to blending tech and personal touch in the industry.

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Aug 27, 2025 • 54min
Back to the future with Sub Agency?
Rob and Greg explore Andrea's new role at Real Estate News, aiming for enhanced investigative journalism. They dive into Anne Marie’s push for MLS independence amid rising realtor commissions, sparking debates on ownership structures. A lawsuit against NAR challenges the enforcement of buyer representation agreements, highlighting weak compliance. Rob argues for a return to sub-agency to tackle steering issues and simplify compensation, while questioning the historical reasons for its abandonment. Overall, the discussion paves the way for potential regulatory changes in the real estate landscape.

Aug 21, 2025 • 55min
An Open Letter to Opendoor
Rob and Greg dive into the fallout from Carrie Wheeler's resignation at Opendoor. They analyze the impact of activist investors and the future of iBuying amidst shifting buyer expectations. The duo examines how Opendoor and Zillow have operated more like flippers than true market makers. Strategic advice for new leadership includes selling homes ‘as is,’ enhancing agent relations, and creating a coming-soon marketplace for discounted listings. They also discuss innovative financing options to streamline transactions and ensure long-term viability.

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Aug 13, 2025 • 57min
AI Octagon
Coleton Boyer, an innovator at OnTuesday.com, dives into the fascinating intersection of AI and real estate. He discusses how AI can revolutionize lead generation and client interactions but raises ethical questions about authenticity. The conversation tackles whether these tools empower new agents or simply benefit the established ones. They also explore the potential shift in business models from traditional practices to more dynamic pricing structures. Throughout, the importance of maintaining the human touch in client relationships remains a central theme.

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Aug 6, 2025 • 1h 1min
OK Boomer.
Key topics include the surprising resilience of the real estate market despite challenges and the debate over AI's role in client interactions. Insights from Inman Connect San Diego reveal industry gossip, shifting executive roles, and a significant lawsuit between CoStar and Zillow. The hosts discuss the importance of personal engagement over awards, emphasizing that authenticity matters more than accolades. While some see promise in AI for marketing, skepticism remains about its effectiveness in enhancing the client experience.

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Jul 31, 2025 • 54min
Plans, within plans, within plans
A dive into Zillow's surprising legal claim suggests it only handles a tiny fraction of real estate transactions, raising questions about its industry dominance. The discussion unfolds around the implications for competitors like Compass and Homes.com, and how this shift could impact agent sales strategies. Anticipation builds for the upcoming Inman Connect in San Diego, as the hosts reflect on economic challenges and industry sentiment. They explore the interplay of media perceptions and real estate market dynamics, offering insights on navigating competitive landscapes.

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Jul 23, 2025 • 1h
Lawsuits, Listings & Listings Fees
Legal battles heat up as the lawsuit from Homie against NAR and big brokerages gets dismissed. A new referral fee disclosure policy by NWMLS sparks debate on consumer transparency. Realtor.com’s acquisition of Zenlist raises questions about the startup landscape in real estate. Homes.com launches a marketing campaign aimed at sellers, drawing mixed industry reactions. Throughout the discussion, the hosts ponder portal strategies and the shifting tides in the real estate landscape, hinting at future trends that could reshape the market.

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Jul 16, 2025 • 59min
Vibe Buying
Dig into the debate about who should access real estate listing data, sparked by a Wired article on college students using Zillow to gauge wealth. One host argues for privacy, suggesting sensitive details should be restricted, while the other defends open data access. The conversation explores VOW rules, consumer legitimacy, and the clash between marketing and research data. Plus, enjoy stories of a memorable golf trip, blending personal anecdotes with serious discussions on modern transparency in the real estate landscape.


