
Industry Relations
This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider’s perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.
Latest episodes

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Feb 5, 2025 • 56min
MLS Reset Recap
The hosts explore key insights from the recent MLS Reset conference, discussing governance reform and the need for reduced board sizes. They debate the competition among Multiple Listing Services while advocating for effective data-sharing agreements. The conversation highlights innovative ideas, including a concept for a trusted data brand. Humor also plays a role, as they share thoughts on the art of engaging presentations and the need for captivating storytelling in professional settings. This engaging discussion offers plenty of takeaways for industry professionals.

Jan 15, 2025 • 46min
It ain't over yet
Rob and Greg dive into the Supreme Court's denial of NAR's cert petition and its implications for DOJ's antitrust investigations. They discuss ongoing commission lawsuits and potential impacts on first-time homebuyers. The hosts explore rising housing market pressures, including costs and inventory shifts affecting rentals and sales. They also highlight upcoming events like the MLS Reset Conference and their first live stream, setting the stage for a transformative chapter in real estate.

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Jan 8, 2025 • 1h
I Can't Make You Love Me
Explore the bold moves by Phoenix Realtors as they challenge traditional agreements in real estate. The discussion delves into member-driven value propositions and the necessity for NAR to reinvent itself to attract and retain agents. Leadership challenges take center stage, with speculation on whether celebrity figures could reshape the narrative. The future of Realtor memberships is scrutinized, raising essential questions about what agents truly value in a dynamic landscape.

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Jan 1, 2025 • 1h 1min
Rob and Greg look ahead to 2025
Rob and Greg dive into predictions for 2025, analyzing transaction volumes and mortgage rates while considering the future of MLSs. They debate the possibility of the three-way agreement unraveling and what that could mean for real estate associations. The discussion highlights the importance of community engagement, referencing cultural shifts and the decline of social organizations. Speculation on mergers and acquisitions in the industry adds a thrilling twist, making for an insightful glimpse into the evolving landscape of real estate.

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Dec 25, 2024 • 54min
2024 ORE Year End Recap
2024 has been labeled 'The Year of the Settlement,' showcasing monumental shifts in real estate. High-interest rates and dwindling inventory continue to challenge market morale. The decline of the NAR is causing a reevaluation of its role, while Compass's acquisition strategies raise eyebrows. Amid controversies, the Clear Cooperation Policy's evolving debate highlights future implications for MLSs. The hosts speculate on the upcoming changes that could lead to Real Estate 4.0, indicating a profound transformation in the industry ahead.

Dec 18, 2024 • 53min
Choking on NAR's Kielbasa
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg tackle the latest controversies surrounding NAR and the recent investigative article from The New York Times. They debate the role of lobbying, explore accusations of corruption and financial mismanagement, and reflect on the broader challenges facing NAR’s leadership and reputation. Key Takeaways • NAR and Lobbying Controversy: Discussion on how NAR funnels money to political groups through entities like the American Property Owners Alliance (APOA). • The “Woke vs. Conservative” Debate: Examining NAR’s conflicting image as both progressive and a supporter of conservative causes. • Transparency Issues: Why NAR’s approach to handling controversies feels “astroturfy” and the need for more open dialogue with members. • Organizing Homeowners: The untapped potential of grassroots homeowner advocacy and how it could reshape lobbying strategies. • PR Missteps: Criticism of NAR’s traditional PR playbook and a call for leadership to adopt more authentic communication strategies. Watch Us on YouTube Connect with Rob and Greg: Rob’s Website Greg’s Website Our Sponsors: CoreLogic Notorious VIP The Giant Steps Job Board Production and Editing Services by Sunbound Studios

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Dec 11, 2024 • 1h 5min
Supply, Demand and Deregulation with Professor Bryan Caplan
Professor Bryan Caplan, an esteemed economics professor and best-selling author, shares insights on the housing crisis and the necessity for deregulation. He argues that excessive regulations inflate prices and worsen inequality. Caplan boldly states that deregulation could halve housing costs and enhance construction. He tackles local NIMBYism, advocating for better community engagement. Exploring global comparisons, he highlights how flexible regulations can boost housing affordability and mobility, ultimately improving quality of life.

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Dec 4, 2024 • 58min
Understanding both sides of the housing market
Recent developments in the housing market are front and center, with sharp insights on the DOJ's influence and its push for transparency in buyer agreements. The hosts challenge traditional views, debating whether market health hinges more on transaction volumes than home prices. Pressing issues like declining affordability shape the landscape, while brokers navigate increasing regulatory scrutiny. Future predictions speculate on potential changes that could transform real estate practices, emphasizing the necessity for consumer awareness in this evolving industry.

Nov 27, 2024 • 54min
What the DOJ’s recent Statement of Interest really means for real estate
This engaging discussion delves into the DOJ's recent statement of interest, raising significant antitrust concerns in real estate practices. The potential effects of buyer agreements on competition are debated, alongside the implications for real estate brokers and agents. The speakers emphasize the importance of transparency in navigating complex and conflicting regulations. Additionally, they explore how the current administration may influence future real estate policies and commission structures, urging professionals to stay alert to evolving legal challenges.

Nov 20, 2024 • 59min
The knowns and unknowns of NAR leadership decisions
The hosts explore the complexities of leadership decisions in real estate, focusing on NAR's CEO and membership challenges for 2024. They dive into membership retention strategies amidst controversies and discuss the fallout from a $2 billion broker club. A lively debate unfolds about effective leadership, emphasizing the importance of visible action versus behind-the-scenes work. Additionally, the role of member surveys in fostering communication and rebuilding trust in leadership is highlighted, making for a thoughtful conversation filled with insights.