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The key to overcoming distraction is to understand and address the internal triggers that prompt us to seek escape or avoid discomfort. By identifying and acknowledging these triggers, such as boredom, anxiety, or fatigue, we can prepare ourselves with tools like the 10-minute rule or surfing the urge. This empowers us to recognize that these triggers are just feelings and that we can exert control over them.
To ensure productivity and focus on important tasks, it is crucial to schedule time for traction. By turning our values into time and creating a time-boxed schedule, we prioritize our most important work and activities. This allows us to distinguish between traction and distraction, ensuring that our time aligns with our intentions and values.
External triggers, such as notifications or interruptions, can be effectively managed by employing strategies like setting devices on Do Not Disturb mode, establishing clear boundaries with colleagues and family members, or using physical indicators like the 'Concentration Crown.' These actions help protect our focus and free us from the constant pull of external distractions.
Creating pacts can be a powerful way to prevent distraction. Price pacts involve establishing financial consequences for deviating from desired tasks, while identity pacts define our self-image and commitment to staying on track. Lastly, effort pacts introduce intentional friction or barriers to make it more challenging to get distracted, ensuring we stay focused on the tasks at hand.
The speaker shares a personal story about their sex life and how their use of technology was hindering intimacy in their relationship. To address this issue, they implemented an effort pact by using an outlet timer to shut off the internet router at 10 p.m. every night. This created awareness and prompted everyone in the household to prioritize their time and be more present with each other. With this simple tool, their nightly routine changed, and they no longer needed the timer as it became ingrained in their routine.
The speaker mentions a couple of tools that have helped them personally to stay focused and avoid distractions. The first is an app called Forest, which plants a virtual tree on the screen and cuts it down if the user picks up their phone during a focused work session. The second is a platform called Focusmate, where users pair up with someone else who is also working and hold each other accountable during designated time blocks. These tools introduce friction and accountability to help individuals stay on track with their intended tasks and avoid distractions.
The speaker discusses the importance of understanding and mastering internal triggers to better manage distractions. They identify three broad strategies for mastering internal triggers: reimagining the task, reimagining the trigger, and reimagining temperament. Additionally, the speaker shares insights on building an indestructible work culture, emphasizing the need for psychological safety, providing a forum for discussions around distractions, and having management that exemplifies indestructible behavior. They assert that by adopting these strategies, individuals and organizations can take responsibility for their distractions and work towards being more focused and productive.
Nir Eyal is the author of two best-selling books, Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products and Indistractable: How to Control Your Attention and Choose Your Life. He writes, consults, and teaches at the intersection of psychology, technology, and business. His books have sold over 1 million copies in more than 30 languages; he has taught at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business and its Design School; and he has started and sold two startups since 2003. In our conversation, we discuss:
• Strategies for becoming less distractible and improving focus
• The difference between distraction and “traction”
• Reactive work vs. reflexive work and why you should book time in your calendar
• The 10-minute rule to overcome internal triggers and stay focused
• The problem with to-do lists, and what to do instead
• The value of creating a timebox schedule that aligns with personal values and priorities
• The use of pacts as a last line of defense against distraction
• How to develop a high-agency mindset
• Advice for leaders on helping employees improve focus in the workplace
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Find the full transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/strategies-for-becoming-less-distractible
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Where to find Nir Eyal:
• X: https://twitter.com/nireyal
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nireyal/
• Website: https://www.nirandfar.com/
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Where to find Lenny:
• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com
• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/
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In this episode, we cover:
(00:00) Nir’s background
(04:20) How to become less distractible
(07:43) Understanding distraction and traction
(12:52) The four steps to becoming indistractable
(13:53) Mastering internal triggers
(18:49) Surfing the urge with a 10-minute timer
(23:20) Making time for traction with a timebox schedule
(25:02) How to turn your values into time
(28:36) Booking deep work time
(29:22) Making pacts to prevent distraction
(31:00) The problem with to-do lists
(34:31) The drawback of deadlines
(36:08) Distraction is an emotion regulation problem
(39:54) Hacking back external triggers
(45:03) Preventing distraction with pacts
(48:18) Specific tools to hold you accountable
(53:42) Managing emotions and discomfort
(56:37) Taking responsibility and being high-agency
(01:00:09) Becoming indistractable at work
(01:05:04) Schedule syncing to align with managers
(01:09:36) We are not as hooked on technology as people think
(01:16:00) Life purpose and personal responsibility
(01:17:38) Lightning round
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Referenced:
• Indistractable: How to Control Your Attention and Choose Your Life: https://www.amazon.com/Indistractable-Control-Your-Attention-Choose/dp/194883653X
• Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products: https://www.amazon.com/Hooked-How-Build-Habit-Forming-Products/dp/1591847788
• Dorothy Parker’s quote: https://twitter.com/nireyal/status/1472280598723108866
• “Writing is bleeding” quote: https://www.hemingwaysociety.org/quotation-controversy-writing-and-bleeding
• The Pomodoro Technique Explained: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryancollinseurope/2020/03/03/the-pomodoro-technique/
• Timeboxing: Why It Works and How to Get Started in 2024: https://www.nirandfar.com/timeboxing/
• Using your working time well - Issue 22: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/time-management-issue-22
• All-In podcast: https://www.allinpodcast.co/
• Nir’s post about “the planning fallacy”: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nireyal_why-do-tasks-always-seem-to-take-longer-than-activity-7137440438939959297-XIUB/
• How the Ancient Greeks Beat Distraction: https://www.nirandfar.com/tantalizing-distractions/
• Jeremy Bentham: https://iep.utm.edu/jeremy-bentham
• An overview of Sigmund Freud’s pleasure principle: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/nursing-and-health-professions/pleasure-principle
• The Matrix “There is no spoon” scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEI
• Outlet timer: https://www.amazon.com/Century-Indoor-24-Hour-Mechanical-Outlet/dp/B01LPSGBZS
• Forest app: https://www.forestapp.cc/
• Focusmate: https://www.focusmate.com/
• Have We Been Thinking About Willpower the Wrong Way for 30 Years?: https://hbr.org/2016/11/have-we-been-thinking-about-willpower-the-wrong-way-for-30-years
• We Need Social Antibodies to Fight the Disease of Distraction: https://nireyal.medium.com/we-need-social-antibodies-to-fight-the-disease-of-distraction-51f9187be016
• The Mere Presence of Your Smartphone Reduces Brain Power, Study Shows: https://news.utexas.edu/2017/06/26/the-mere-presence-of-your-smartphone-reduces-brain-power
• Leading in Tough Times: HBS Faculty Member Amy C. Edmondson on Psychological Safety: https://www.hbs.edu/recruiting/insights-and-advice/blog/post/leading-in-tough-times
• If Tech Is So Distracting, How Do Slack Employees Stay So Focused?: https://www.nirandfar.com/slack-use/
• Managing up: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/managing-up
• Duolingo: https://www.duolingo.com/
• FitBot: https://www.fitbotapp.com/
• Paulo Coelho’s quote: https://twitter.com/paulocoelho/status/416264984188825600
• Alchemy: The Dark Art and Curious Science of Creating Magic in Brands, Business, and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Alchemy-Curious-Science-Creating-Business/dp/006238841X
• The Experience Machine: How Our Minds Predict and Shape Reality: https://www.amazon.com/Experience-Machine-Minds-Predict-Reality/dp/1524748455
• Empire of the Sun on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Sun-Christian-Bale/dp/B001N3JY82
• Sesame grinder: https://www.miyacompany.com/450-014-450-014
• Muji pens: https://www.muji.us/collections/pen-pencils
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Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.
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