The Tim Ferriss Show

#731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More

Apr 10, 2024

Dr. David Spiegel, a Stanford University psychiatrist and expert in hypnosis, shares fascinating insights into the power of hypnosis for therapeutic purposes. He differentiates hypnosis from meditation and explains how it can manage pain and stress effectively. The conversation touches on the neurobiology of trance, how suggestibility varies among individuals, and even explores emerging fields like therapeutic psychedelics. Listeners will learn about the groundbreaking self-hypnosis app, Reveri, designed to enhance mental well-being.

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David Spiegel

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Quick takeaways

Hypnosis is an effective tool for managing pain and promoting healing.

Hypnosis can aid in addressing trauma and phobias by reframing past experiences.

Self-hypnosis is used for physical recovery and wellness, post-surgery and in daily routines.

Hypnosis offers mental health benefits, enhancing focus, performance, and overall well-being.

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Exploring the Components and Benefits of Hypnosis

01:48

Hypnosis test

01:30

The Power of Hypnosis in Regulating Pain and Behavior Change

02:55

Psychedelics and Ego Dissolution for Therapeutic Outcomes

02:35

Intro

5min

Exploring the Practical Applications of Hypnosis

2min

Hypnosis: Healing and the Courtroom

7min

Understanding Hypnosis and Its Therapeutic Potential

21min

Exploring Therapeutic Frontiers: Hypnosis and Psychedelics in Healing

5min

Unlocking Hypnosis for Pain Management

15min

Exploring Self-Hypnosis and Pain Management Techniques

2min

Neurobiology of Pain and Hypnosis: Mechanisms of Modulation

3min

Hypnosis and Healing: Exploring New Frontiers

27min

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Psychedelics and Hypnosis: A Healing Journey

18min

Dr. David Spiegel is Willson Professor and Associate Chair of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences, Director of the Center on Stress and Health, and Medical Director of the Center for Integrative Medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine, where he has been a member of the academic faculty since 1975. He is the founder of Reveri, the world's first interactive self-hypnosis app.

Timestamps for this episode are available below. Links to everything discussed: https://tim.blog/2024/04/10/dr-david-spiegel-hypnosis/

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Timestamps:

[00:00] Start

[07:00] How Herbert Spiegel was exposed to hypnosis.

[10:14] Using hypnosis to cure non-epileptic seizures.

[11:53] What is a forensic psychiatrist?

[14:43] How hypnosis works.

[17:54] Hypnosis and the flow state.

[21:03] How hypnosis differs from meditation.

[22:38] Determining one’s susceptibility to hypnosis.

[27:21] I take the eye-roll test.

[29:33] Thoughts on EMDR.

[36:29] Therapeutic psychedelics and ego dissolution.