The Lawfare Podcast

Lawfare Archive: Nicole Perlroth on the Cyberweapons Arms Race

Mar 11, 2023

01:06:57

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Nicole Perlroth

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Episode notes

Cybersecurity Incentives

03:37

Early Cyberweapons Market

04:25

Cyberweapon Proliferation Post-Stuxnet

02:24

Zero-Day Exploit Market Dynamics

04:07

Introduction

2min

The Trade-Off That Leaves Americans More Vulnerable

4min

What Is the Zero Day Vulnerability Market?

5min

The Vulnerabilities, Equity Process

4min

The Stuxnet Computer Worm - A Game Changer

2min

How Does the Market Work?

5min

How Does the Exclusion Clause Work?

4min

The Trade Offs That the United States Faces When It Comes Into Possession of a Zero Day Vulnerabilities

5min

NSA Hacking - The Shadow Brokers Dumped Eternal Blue

4min

10.

The Vulnerabilities Equities Process Is Just Theater

4min

11.

The Shadow Brokers Leak Was Materially More Destroying Than Snowden Leaked

5min

12.

We're Living in Our Systems, Is That What the Defense Forward Strategy Is About?

6min

13.

Is Mutually Sure Destroyment Really Dangerous?

3min

14.

Defense Forward and Persistent Engagement Strategy in Light of Solar Winds

5min

15.

Do We Need Data Breach Notification Laws?

2min

16.

Is There a Natural Stopping Point?

6min

From March 19, 2021: Jack Goldsmith spoke with New York Times cybersecurity reporter Nicole Perlroth about her new book, "This is How They Tell Me the World Ends: The Cyberweapons Arms Race." They discussed the dark world of markets for zero-day vulnerabilities that are so vital in offensive cyber operations, the history of the markets, how they work, who the players are and why the United States doesn't control as much as it used to. They also discussed broader issues of U.S. cybersecurity policy, including the recent SolarWinds hack.

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