

MAFFEO DRINKS: Built Bottom-up
Chris Maffeo
The MAFFEO DRINKS Podcast is a leading drinks business podcast delivering actionable insights for drinks leadership.
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
Episodes
Mentioned books

Apr 30, 2024 • 37min
058 | Stephen Myers | The First Steps in a New Market | Dynamic Beverage Consultants
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 58, I chatted with Stephen Myers, Founder of Dynamic Beverage Consultants. He is also one of the Originals at Ilegal Mezcal. We dived into the crucial aspects of launching a new brand in the (US) market and how to avoid expensive mistakes. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
0:00 Intro
0:51 About Steve
4:26 Brand Or Liquid Lead
6:34 Brand Story & Differentiation
12:28 Target Occasion
14:06 Creating Demand
16:57 Great Marketing, Bad Commercials
21:20 Beyond Categories
22:36 Breaking Into New Markets (Relationship Chaining)
28:07 Drinks Relationship Ecosystem
33:50 Outro
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Stephen Myers
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Apr 23, 2024 • 49min
057 | Emmett Strack | US & EU Trends Cross-pollination | Cross-Episode with Park Street Insider Podcast
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 57, we've created a cross-episode with the Park Street University Insider Podcast.
I spoke to Emmett Strack, and we dived into the latest 2024 trends in the drinks industry.
We compared the US and Europe, talking about the cross-pollination of trends in the cocktail scene,
and in the overall bottom-up trade.
I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
0:00 Intro
2:16 Role of Convenience & Occasion
8:51 Ascension of Flavor
15:38 Pressurization
18:35 On-Trade In Europe
23:05 Euro Cocktail Trends
30:51 Gen Z & Drinking Occasion
36:42 Euro Drinking Categories
41:41 American Drinking Trends
46:14 Outro
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Emmett Strack
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Apr 16, 2024 • 52min
056 | Georgie Bell | The Early Journey of a Founder-led Brand | The Heart Cut
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 56, I continued the conversation with Georgie Bell, The Heart Cut's co-founder from Ep.55. She has extensive industry experience, having previously worked at Diageo, Bacardi, and the Scotch Malt Whisky Society.
We discussed how to explain a product, starting from a liquid, going into taste profile, storytelling, and target occasions. We closed with a dive into the life of a start-up with learnings and course correction to build bottom-up. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
0:00 Intro
0:24 Where Do You Start
4:46 Importance Of Follow Up
7:41 Importance Of Normal Bars
13:05 Importance Of Off-Trade
15:18 When To Wholesale?
17:09 One Bottle, One Case, One Pallet
23:40 Building Demand With Partners
30:56 The Drinks Ecosystem
34:20 Start Up Challenges
47:34 Contact Details
49:19 Outro
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Georgie Bell
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Apr 9, 2024 • 49min
055 | Georgie Bell | Taste Profile & Storytelling | The Heart Cut
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 55, I enjoyed chatting with The Heart Cut's co-founder Georgie Bell. She has extensive industry experience, having previously worked at Diageo, Bacardi, and the Scotch Malt Whisky Society.
We discussed how to explain a product, starting from a liquid, going into taste profile, storytelling, and target occasions. We closed with a dive into the life of a start-up with learnings and course correction to build bottom-up. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
0:00 Intro
2:03 Brand or Liquid?
6:43 Social Currency
12:43 Story Telling
23:22 Taste Profile
25:39 Target Consumer Vs Target Occasion
36:35 Women In Whisk(e)y
36:24 Outro
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Georgie Bell
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Apr 2, 2024 • 49min
054 | How to Build a Drink Brand Bottom-up | Chris Maffeo with Vani Gupta Dandia (New Delhi, India)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 054 I had the pleasure of speaking with Vani Gupta Dandia. I was a guest in her Marketing with Vani Podcast were she interviews marketing people from various industries. We dived into the Drinks Industry, looking at it from outside. I hope you will enjoy our chat
Time Stamps
0:00 Intro
0:26 Background
2:00 What Differentiates Alcohol
3:05 Target Occasions
7:35 Bridging Categories
9:22 Gender Stereotypes
11:12 Tracking What You Can Track
13:47 Educating Consumers
18:11 Role Of Storytelling
20:24: Bottom Up Trade
24:17 Being Everything To Everyone
26:40 Playing with Variations
31:39 Cross Generational Appeal
36:36 Functional VS Recreational
39:54 Building Brands Bottom Up
46:17 Outro
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Vani Gupta Dandia
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Mar 26, 2024 • 43min
053 | Nailing Your City (Distribution) Strategy: How to Transform Brand Momentum into Velocity in the right venues | Part 2/2 with Justin Medcraft, Founder of Mate Maker (Los Angeles, CA, USA)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 053, I continued the conversation with Justin Medcraft from Episode 052, so feel free to listen to that as well. He is the Founder of Mate Maker Hard Kombucha.
He brings a wealth of previous experience in Spirits and Beer. We discussed building demand for a start-up drinks brand, standing out amongst a sea of products, and focusing on building momentum.
I hope you will enjoy our chat.
One last thing: If you enjoy this podcast, you will also like the MAFFEO DRINKS Guides. You can subscribe free or paid on maffeodrinks.com
Time Stamps
0:00 Intro
0:24 When To Open New Markets
10:31 Community Driven Marketing
15:45 Growing From Your Community
18:33 Getting The SKU In, Increasing Rotation
26:33 Advantages Of Small Brands
36:19 Discipline
39:15 Contacts
39:54 Outro
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Justin Medcraft
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Mar 19, 2024 • 41min
052 | How a Crystal-Clear Target Occasion Helps you Stand Out in the Busiest Market for Your Category | Part 1/2 with Justin Medcraft, Founder of Mate Maker (Los Angeles, CA, USA)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 52, I enjoyed chatting with Justin Medcraft, the Founder of Mate Maker Hard Kombucha.
He brings a wealth of previous experience in Spirits and Beer. We discussed how to build demand for a start-up drinks brand, stand out amongst a sea of products, and focus on building momentum.
I hope you will enjoy our chat.
One last thing: If you enjoy this podcast, you will also like the MAFFEO DRINKS Guides. You can subscribe free or paid on maffeodrinks.com
Time Stamps
0:00 Introduction
2:04 Building Demand
3:49 Building Community: Brand Or Liquid?
6:15 Mate Maker Elevator Pitch
11:26 The Consumer Pitch
13:07 The Ring Road
19:39 Determining Direction
26:05 Home Turf Advantage
35:09 Growing Beyond Your Hometown
38:01 Outro
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Justin Medcraft
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Mar 12, 2024 • 30min
051 | Mastering Unscalable Things to Drive Scale: Diary of a Drinks Builder obsessed about details | Part 2/2 with Ilias Mastrogiannis (Seattle, WA, USA)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 051, I continued the conversation with Ilias Mastrogiannis from Episode 050 so feel free to listen to that as well. I hope you will enjoy our chat
Time Stamps
0:00 Intro
0:15 Winning Large Retailers
5:28 Securing The Foundation
8:34 Non-Scalable Tasks
13:31 1% Better Everyday
17:57 The Necessity of Obsession
25:07 Wrap Up
27:24 Outro
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Ilias Mastrogiannis
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Mar 5, 2024 • 33min
050 | Ponds, Lakes, Oceans: How to Master The Basics From Distilling to Selling Bottles | Part 1/2 with Ilias Mastrogiannis (Seattle, WA, USA)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 050 I had the pleasure of chatting with Ilias Mastrogiannis. He is the Founder of Distillery Nation Podcast and Mastrogiannis Winery and Distillery, based in Washington State, inspired by Greek tradition. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
0:00 Intro
0:51 Ilias' Podcast
3:59 Building Demand
5:30 Starting Product
6:46 Traditional Vs Modern Occasions
10:38 Ring Road of Messaging
16:23 Event Driven Messaging
20:26 Event Specialized Products
24:25 Dusty Vs Vibrant Categories
28:22 Primacy of Cocktail List?
30:52 Outro
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Ilias Mastrogiannis
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Feb 27, 2024 • 36min
049 | Stephanie Jordan | Taking Sustainability from Niche to Scale with Avallen: Working with Bars and Distributors as an Ecosystem
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 049 I continued the conversation with Stephanie Jordan from Episode 048. She is the Co-Founder of B-Corp Avallen Calvados. She brings fantastic insights as he runs her Sales & Marketing Consultancy, Drinking Out Loud. Before that, she ran Sales & Global Advocacy for la Hechicera Rum and was the Global Brand Ambassador for Tanqueray Gin after starting her career in drinks on the Global Diageo graduate scheme. I hope you will enjoy our chat.Time Stamps0:00 Intro0:14 Sustainable Packaging9:36 Selecting Sustainable Outlets?13:18 Role Of An Importer16:10 Ensuring Wholesaler Rotation20:00 Big Fish Small Pond, Small Fish Big Pond?23:19 Biggest Professional Change Becoming A Founder?31:38 Wrap-Up33:12 OutroAbout The Host: Chris MaffeoAbout The Guest: Stephanie Jordan
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com


