

Experiment Nation: The Podcast
Rommil Santiago's Experiment Nation
Every week we share:
- Interviews with the Best Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO) professionals and Experimenters from around the world
- Conference sessions / Tutorials
Recent recognition:
- Top 10% of most followed Podcasts on Spotify
- Interviews with the Best Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO) professionals and Experimenters from around the world
- Conference sessions / Tutorials
Recent recognition:
- Top 10% of most followed Podcasts on Spotify
Episodes
Mentioned books

Dec 16, 2023 • 27min
S3E56 - Level-up your UX Research with Diary Studies featuring Mike Green
In this episode, Mike Green discusses the use of diary studies in UX research, particularly in the context of public sector user research. Mike Green, a freelance user research lead based in the UK, shares his experiences using Google Forms, structuring incentives, and addressing challenges in recruitment for diary studies. The discussion emphasizes the longitudinal nature of diary studies, contrasting them with traditional usability tests, and highlights their effectiveness in capturing user feedback over a period of time. Mike also touches upon the importance of understanding user behavior, attitudinal responses, and the ethical considerations in dealing with vulnerable groups. The planning and design stage for diary studies is emphasized, stressing the need to align the research goals with the chosen methodology. Overall, the video aims to provide insights and tips for conducting impactful UX research using diary studies in the public sector.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Diary Studies with Mike Green
03:21 Understanding the Purpose of a Diary Study
06:45 Recruiting Participants for Your Diary Study
10:12 Analyzing Data from Diary Studies
14:30 Key Considerations for Diary Studies Success
#UXResearch #DiaryStudies #UserExperience #ResearchablePodcast

Dec 11, 2023 • 27min
S3E55 - How to get Stakeholder Buy-in for all your Experiments featuring André Morys
Learn from André Morys, CEO of KonversionsKRAFT, on gaining crucial stakeholder buy-in for experiments. André highlights the challenges faced by optimizers and advocates for understanding team dynamics through stakeholder mapping. He emphasizes approaching stakeholders, using empathy to build relationships, and overcoming objections. André shares practical insights on conflict management, including a stakeholder map with color-coded power dynamics. Discover the significance of regular check-ins, fostering trust, and achieving tangible results in experimentation. Master the art of securing support for your experiments effectively.
About growth marketing Summit:
June 19th, 2024 in Frankfurt: www.growthmarketingSUMMIT.com - with 700-800 attendees it is Europe's #1 real-life conference with a handpicked lineup of great people you will usually not see at one conference.
Andre's strategy illustrated:
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Chapters
00:00 - Introducing André Morys and the importance of stakeholder buy-in
04:12 - Understanding the stakeholder map and its color-coded quadrants
09:37 - The impact of stakeholders on experimentation in different company sizes
13:45 - Importance of building relationships and trust with stakeholders
18:20 - Recognizing objections and crafting strategies to address them
24:10 - Navigating implicit forces in larger organizations
24:43 - Learn about André Morys’ upcoming Growth Marketing Summit

Dec 9, 2023 • 29min
S3E54 - Will Laurenson: From Startups to CRO Mastery
Will Laurenson shares his journey from startup to becoming a CRO (Conversion Rate Optimization) expert. Will discusses the significance of usability, anxiety, and motivation in CRO, drawing from his extensive experience in running tests and optimizing various businesses. Will's approach to CRO involves deep insights into user behavior and a focus on aligning products with customer needs, challenging the common pitfalls of assuming product-market fit based solely on initial traction or advertising success.
Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction to Will Laurenson’s CRO Journey
2:30 - Transitioning from startups to founding Customers Who Click
6:15 - Understanding the usability, anxiety, and motivation in CRO
10:45 - Onboarding process and working with clients at Customers Who Click
15:20 - The UAM Method: Usability, Anxiety, and Motivation in CRO
Will's podcast: https://customerswhoclick.carrd.co/
Will on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/willlaurenson/

Nov 25, 2023 • 41min
S3E52 - Ad Optimization: Your Ads Aren’t Working and Here’s Why ft. Joe Fitzpatrick
You need to invest in ad optimization.
Effective performance marketing / advertising optimization relies on continuous experimentation, data-driven decision-making, audience insight, and refined targeting. It's not just about numbers; creativity, a deep understanding of advertising channels, and ethical targeting are crucial. Brand trust and performance marketing are interconnected, with customer reviews and testimonials playing a significant role. Embracing experimentation and learning from failures is essential for long-term success in performance marketing. Transparency with clients, a focus on the bigger picture, and purposeful action are keys to building trust. Joe discusses the launch of AD Scientists and encourages connecting with other industry professionals.
If you want to follow Joe, check him out here:
https://www.adscientist.ca/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/joefitzpatrick1/

Nov 18, 2023 • 30min
S3E51 - A Comprehensive Guide to Ad Network Experimentation ft. João Marcelo Rodrigues
Maximizing results in ad network optimization requires a systematic approach. Start with A/B testing on Google Ads and gradually introduce more complex campaigns, balancing technical and creative aspects. Analyze your channel's performance, ensuring sufficient impressions and conversions for statistically significant results. Shape your product to align with the ad network's requirements and consider user experience. Prioritize velocity in testing initially, gradually enhancing quality, and encourage collaboration across different platforms for valuable insights in the quest for optimization.

Nov 11, 2023 • 48min
S3E50 - The top CRO Myths that experimenters have to bust ft. Lucas Vos
Lucas, a senior conversion specialist, shares his journey in the media industry, emphasizing the transformative impact of A/B testing. He discusses myths about experimentation - debunking them along the way as well as highlights the importance of validation, integration into essential projects, and showcasing negative results. Lucas encourages testing the obvious and unexpected, questioning assumptions, and showing the value of experimentation to reduce risk and aid decision-making, making it an asset for senior managers and specialists.

Nov 4, 2023 • 29min
S3E49 - Personalization timing matters - Avoid these common mistakes ft. Eric Melchor
Personalization timing matters
Eric Melchor, an evangelist at Optimonk, emphasizes the importance of focusing on the product page for effective conversion rate optimization (CRO). He suggests treating website visitors as individuals and creating a personalized and enjoyable customer experience in real-time. Melchor also discusses the significance of capturing visitor interest early on and leveraging smart CRO tactics and personalization timing throughout the customer journey. Additionally, he mentions the value of optimizing the product page, as it can yield significant returns on investment.

Oct 28, 2023 • 36min
S3E48 - CRO Organizational Structure- Centralized Team vs Process: with Oliver Paton
We explore various angles of CRO Organizational Structure. We discussed primarily the differences between centralized CRO teams vs a company-wide experimentation culture, and how this is best looked at as a continuum. Companies starting out might benefit from a centralized CRO team whereas more mature optimization programs can benefit more from working experimentation into all facets of the company. How can a company who does 0 experimentation introduce and adopt an experimentation process/culture? We also chatted about experimentation at the customer level, what this means, and how it could be the future of optimization.

Oct 21, 2023 • 60min
S3E47 - What CROs need to know about Heatmaps with Deborah O'Malley
Heatmaps to the rescue! Creating an impactful website hero section above the fold is vital for user engagement. Clear value propositions and compelling calls to action are essential, as users often don't scroll past this section. Heat mapping, combined with other techniques like exit polls and A/B testing, provides a comprehensive understanding of user behavior. While urgency and scarcity tactics can be effective, users have become more skeptical of overused strategies like countdown timers. Understand your audience through analytics data and tailor your optimization strategies accordingly, whether it's for B2C, B2B, or other sectors. Mobile interactions may have imprecise heat map data, so use it alongside other sources for a well-rounded view.

Oct 6, 2023 • 32min
S3E46 - Experimentation Culture for Startups with Simon Girardin
Experimentation Culture for Startups is so important.
In the realm of Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO), engaging all stakeholders, from executives to product managers and customer service, is pivotal for success. This inclusive approach fosters collaboration, early alignment on technical aspects, and efficient experimentation. It stands in stark contrast to tactical CRO, which tends to focus on short-term projects and lacks a comprehensive strategy. Strategic CRO, on the other hand, entails research, testing, iteration, and transparent communication, forming a continuous and value-driven process. When selecting a CRO agency, clients should prioritize those that emphasize strategic approaches, effective utilization of test results, and well-structured workflows. This approach transforms CRO into an integral part of an organization's culture and operations, creating enduring value.