

Experiment Nation: The Podcast
Rommil Santiago's Experiment Nation
Every week we share:
- Interviews with the Best Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO) professionals and Experimenters from around the world
- Conference sessions / Tutorials
Recent recognition:
- Top 10% of most followed Podcasts on Spotify
- Interviews with the Best Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO) professionals and Experimenters from around the world
- Conference sessions / Tutorials
Recent recognition:
- Top 10% of most followed Podcasts on Spotify
Episodes
Mentioned books

Aug 19, 2023 • 37min
S3E42: The truth about building an Experimentation Culture with Mark Eltsefon
In this podcast episode, Mark Eltsefon, a senior data scientist and experimentation evangelist, discusses building an experimentation culture in different companies. He shares his journey from starting as a software developer to becoming passionate about data science and experimentation. He contrasts the experimentation culture at TikTok, where data-driven decisions were central and democratization was encouraged, with his current role at an e-commerce company specializing in print-on-demand. He emphasizes the importance of educating stakeholders about data-driven decision-making, and he highlights the need for strong experimentation infrastructure and high-quality hypothesis testing. He believes that while democratization is valuable, it's important to balance it with maintaining the quality of ideas and statistical rigor.
Find Mark on Medium and LinkedIn:
- https://medium.com/@markeltsefon
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-eltsefon/

Aug 12, 2023 • 32min
S3E41 - How to get Personalization Right with Juliana Amorim
Juliana Amorim emphasizes that personalization is not a silver bullet and recommends its use when aligned with strong hypotheses and business goals. She co-founded Croct, a personalization experimentation platform, focusing on adapting user journeys to context. Examples include tailoring websites for diverse buyer personas within B2B companies and customizing content for users at different stages, like newcomers or existing customers. AI-based personalization and rule-based personalization can coexist. Brands should prioritize personalizing their websites and consider first-party data support.

Aug 8, 2023 • 30min
S3E40 - Stop limiting yourself - build your CRO brand today with Carlos Trujillo
Building a personal brand as a conversion rate optimizer is crucial in today's competitive digital landscape. Your personal brand serves as a powerful tool to establish credibility, showcase expertise, and attract new opportunities. By cultivating a strong brand identity, you position yourself as an authority in the field, gaining trust from potential clients or employers. A well-developed personal brand helps differentiate you from others, highlighting your unique approach and methodologies. It opens doors to collaborations, speaking engagements, and thought leadership opportunities. Additionally, a strong personal brand creates a lasting impression, leading to increased visibility, a larger professional network, and ultimately, a steady stream of clients or job offers.

Jul 29, 2023 • 56min
S3E39 - Building a CRO Culture & Ideation Strategies with Lucia van den Brink
Ideation strategies are essential to building an experimentation culture. Companies should encourage employees to generate new ideas and provide a platform for sharing them. This can be done through brainstorming sessions, hackathons, or online idea-sharing platforms. It's important to involve stakeholders from different departments and levels of the organization to ensure diverse perspectives are considered. By implementing ideation strategies and fostering a culture of experimentation, companies can drive innovation and stay ahead of the curve.
Building an experimentation culture is crucial for companies that want to innovate and stay ahead of the competition. It starts with creating an environment where experimentation is encouraged and failure is seen as an opportunity to learn and improve. Teams should be given the freedom to try new ideas and test them quickly using small-scale experiments. It's important to collect and analyze data from these experiments to make informed decisions about what works and what doesn't.
Lucas Vos interviews Lucia van den Brink in this great AMA session.

Jul 22, 2023 • 23min
S3E38 - Lessons from accidentally taking down InVision with Eddie Aguilar
Eddie Aguilar, a developer and CRO specialist, shares his experience with experimentation and optimization. He discusses how he started as a developer at a young age and eventually shifted to optimization. He recounts a specific incident while working with Envision App, where he made a global change to the website that caused a significant error, resulting in a spike in error logs. Eddie emphasizes the importance of communication and collaboration in such situations. Despite the error, the test yielded impressive results, with a 227% revenue lift and 70% LTV lift.

Jul 15, 2023 • 32min
S3E27: Make Personalization Personal with Care and Competence with David Mannheim
David Mannheim, author and expert on personalization, discusses the importance of personalization in marketing. He emphasizes the need for brands to focus on building relationships with customers based on trust and care. Mannheim distinguishes personalization from segmentation, highlighting personalization as a communication principle rather than just a marketing tactic. He also mentions the challenges faced in implementing personalization, such as the pressure for immediate returns and the balance of metrics.

Jul 8, 2023 • 14min
SE326 - How to build a CRO Questioning framework with Riccardo Vandra
In this video, Riccardo Vandra discusses the importance of asking powerful questions for conversion rate optimization (CRO). He emphasizes that the quality of our questions determines the quality of our insights and ultimately our success. Riccardo proposes a three-step questioning framework for building effective questions.

Jul 1, 2023 • 52min
S3E25 - Customer Value Optimization Explained with Defiant's Jason Chappel
We sat down with Jason Chappel, founder of Defiant, a specialist Customer Value Optimization agency, to discuss what sets CVO apart from CRO. Jason shares his insight on the importance of understanding and optimizing the entire customer journey, from acquisition to retention, and how CVO can help businesses increase customer lifetime value and drive sustainable growth in your business strategy.

Jun 24, 2023 • 18min
S3E24 - Combining Quantitative and Qualitative to Increase Conversions with Harriet Swan
Harriet Swan, a UX Research Manager at Conversion, leads a team that merges UX research with A-B testing. She discusses the crucial union of quantitative and qualitative research in deciphering human motivation. Harriet highlights that while quantitative data offers hard stats, qualitative insights unveil deeper emotional context. The conversation dives into how this combination can significantly enhance user experiences and conversion rates, showcasing real client examples that underscore the power of informed decision-making.

Jun 17, 2023 • 28min
S3E23 - Great PMs know how to tell good stories with Priya Bhatia
The best Product Managers and Experimenters possess a unique skill: they know how to tell good stories that capture the hearts and minds of stakeholders and gain buy-in. Through powerful storytelling, they paint a vivid picture of the product's vision, value, and potential impact. They tap into emotions, using anecdotes and examples to create relatable narratives that resonate with their audience. They highlight the problem, solution, and user benefits in a way that is clear, concise, and memorable. Their stories inspire trust and confidence, compelling stakeholders to align with the product's vision and goals. In this way, storytelling becomes an invaluable tool for Product Managers to generate buy-in and drive successful product outcomes.