
Ditching Hourly
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Jun 17, 2025 • 55min
Ed Kless - A Revelation for the Transformation Economy
Ed Kless joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about what he and his Threshold co-founder Ron Baker think is the next big thing (spoiler alert: transformations).Talking PointsThe Concept of the Experience EconomyProgression of Economic ValueTransformations and Their ImpactThreshold: Guiding TransformationsTransitioning from Service to Transformation EconomySkipping the Experience StageCharging for TransformationSubscription Model as a SolutionValue-Based Pricing vs. Hourly BillingThe Revelation DocumentThe Concept of Moral InjuryAnd here's the link to the document we discussed on the show: THRESHOLD - A REVELATION for the Transformation EconomyAbout EdEd Kless believes entrepreneurs continue the work of creation and that business exists to promote human flourishing. To advance this vision, he cofounded THRESHOLD, where he guides professional leaders and teams through edifying transformation. Previously, Ed served as Sage’s senior director of partner development and strategy, hosted the Sage Thought Leadership Podcast, and designed curricula for Sage Partners and Customers. He also co-hosts The Soul of Enterprise with Ron Baker, his friend and fellow THRESHOLD co-founder.
----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Jun 3, 2025 • 54min
Geraldine Carter - Melting The Pyramid
Geraldine Carter, a coach for CPAs, shares her journey from a $9,500 mastermind model to an accessible $995/month subscription service. She discusses the concept of 'melting the pyramid,' focusing on how to optimize client relationships for better scalability. Geraldine reveals key strategies for navigating business transformations, adapting coaching for unique CPA demands, and simplifying launch processes. Her insights on subscription models emphasize the emotional investment needed from clients while maintaining revenue stability and enhancing community engagement.

May 20, 2025 • 1h
Craig Hewitt - The Current State and Potential Future of Podcasting
Craig Hewitt, founder of Castos, joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss the current state and potential future of podcasting as a medium for building trust with your audience.AI SummaryIn this episode of Ditching Hourly, Jonathan Stark speaks with Craig Hewitt, founder of Castos, about the evolving landscape of podcasting. They discuss the shifting definitions and formats of podcasts, the importance of different content strategies, including private and hybrid podcasting, and the impact of new technologies like AI. Craig also shares insights on leveraging platforms such as YouTube and podcasting for trust-building and discovery, what makes podcasts unique in the AI era, and tips for solo business owners looking to optimize their content. The conversation is packed with actionable advice on how to effectively use podcasting to build authority and nurture audiences.Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome
(01:14) - The Evolution of Podcasting
(02:24) - Private and Hybrid Podcasting Explained
(03:27) - The Role of Video in Podcasting
(05:21) - Discovery and Monetization Strategies
(06:44) - Business Models for Podcasters
(09:34) - Content Strategy and Audience Engagement
(16:14) - The Future of Podcasting and Platforms
(29:09) - Content Strategy and Funnel Optimization
(30:36) - The Power of Long-Form Audio
(31:46) - Podcasting for Authority Building
(34:24) - YouTube as a Discovery Platform
(34:48) - Shorts, Segments, and Long-Form Content
(51:18) - The Role of AI in Content Creation
(55:44) - Private and Hybrid Podcasting
(59:12) - Conclusion and Future of Podcasting
Craig’s LinksCastos » https://castos.com/Craig’s Website » https://craighewitt.com/Craig’s YouTube » https://www.youtube.com/@thecraighewittCraig’s LinkedIn » https://www.linkedin.com/in/craig-hewitt-78386a66/
----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

May 6, 2025 • 57min
Jason Lengstorf - Navigating the Transformation of the Video Production Business
Jason Lengstorf, founder of Code TV, joined me on Ditching Hourly to share how he is successfully navigating the transformation of the video production business. Jason's Links: https://jason.energy/https://codetv.dev/AI Summary:In this episode of Ditching Hourly, Jonathan Stark is joined by Jason Lengstorf, founder of Code TV, to explore the current landscape of the video production industry, especially within the tech sector. Jason shares insights into his career journey from being a web engineer to running a successful video production business for tech companies. The discussion delves into industry transitions, the significance of genuine community engagement, the crucial role of video in marketing campaigns, and strategies for delivering measurable ROI. Jason also offers practical advice for video production professionals on pricing their services, specializing in niches, and maintaining consistency to build a strong client base.Chapters:(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome
(00:08) - Jason Langsdorf's Background
(00:47) - The State of the Video Production Industry
(02:52) - Strategic Video Production
(09:38) - Top of Funnel Growth Strategies
(16:26) - Jason's Approach to Video Production
(23:47) - Specialization and Niche Market
(28:44) - Measuring Campaign Effectiveness
(29:37) - The Importance of Patience and Follow-Through
(30:13) - Qualitative Metrics and Social Listening
(30:36) - The Value of Organic Mentions
(31:14) - Case Study: Microsoft's Image Transformation
(33:54) - Challenges in Sales Processes
(39:34) - The Power of Consistency in Content Creation
(42:59) - Outsourcing Video Production
(44:49) - Finding Your Niche and Adding Value
(53:15) - The Journey to Success
(55:40) - Conclusion and Resources
----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

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Apr 29, 2025 • 27min
Martin Stellar - Sales Coaching for Nice People
Author/creator of Sales for Nice People, Martin Stellar, joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about sticking to your guns in a sales meeting and how to build the confidence to do so. Martin's Links:https://martinstellar.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/martinstellar/https://salesfornicepeople.com/academy
----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Apr 15, 2025 • 60min
Yuval Yeret - The Status of Agile as a Platform and Navigating Career Pivots
Yuval Yeret, founder of Yeret Agility and OG Agile expert, joined me on Ditching Hourly to discuss the current state of Agile as a platform, how it has evolved over the years, and what practitioners should consider when pivoting their careers as the platform matures.About YuvalYuval Yeret is a Product/Scaling/Agility Coach focused on helping product/tech leaders scale their organizations without slowing down, improving outcomes by leveraging flow, agility, and product orientation. (while avoiding the dogma and process BS of Agile Theater). Yuval is a globally recognized expert on scaling w/ agility, a SAFe Fellow, a Professional Scrum Trainer, and a co-author of the Kanban Guide for Scrum Teams. These days Yuval is focused on helping organizations evolve from Feature Factories to Empowered Product Organizations, as well as helping deeper tech organizations develop a pragmatic agility strategy. Yuval shares his insights on scaling w/ agility at https://yuvalyeret.com/scaling-with-agility-newsletter/Chapters(00:00) - Introduction and Guest Welcome
(00:17) - Yuval's Background and Journey into Agile
(01:35) - Early Days of Agile
(03:56) - Transition to Consulting and Coaching
(07:21) - Agile's Evolution and Current State
(09:46) - Challenges and Criticisms of Agile
(17:30) - Future of Agile and Role Adaptation
(22:18) - Advice for Agile Practitioners
(30:22) - Reflecting on Agile Leadership
(31:24) - Anecdote: Transition from FileMaker to Web Development
(34:57) - The Future of Agile and Product Operating Models
(39:20) - Adapting Skills for New Opportunities
(41:48) - Navigating Organizational Change
(44:47) - Strategies for Career Pivoting
(48:01) - The Role of Scrum Masters in Modern Organizations
(52:00) - Consulting and Value Proposition
(57:55) - Closing Thoughts and Resources
Notable Quotes"What happened over the years is... agile has become mainstream for most of corporate America, technology organizations and product companies. And this created the reality where the people that are, the organizations that are currently adopting agile are the late adopters.""[Late adopters] are slapping names like Scrum Master and Sprint and User Story and Daily Scrum... on the way that they've been doing things already. And it's like lipstick on a pig. It's not really creating any impact other than a bad name for Agile and a bad name for people in these roles.""The biggest issue with Agile... is the over-reliance on specific roles in organizations.""We will have a significantly smaller number of people that dedicate their career to something like agile, whatever it's called. You will need to specialize. You will need to start to think like consultants need to start to think and build your content solar system."Yuval's Links and Other ResourcesYuval's article on "The Future of Agile Roles and Agility"Yuval's private podcast on navigating the landscape of Agile theater, feature factories, and product operating models"Crossing the Chasm" by Geoffrey Moore (book on technology adoption)Netflix culture book (featuring the "Netflix question")The career mini-course that Jonathan mentioned: Unblock Your Career by Shachar Meir
----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Jan 28, 2025 • 35min
Barry van Someren - Good Business Advice From The IRS?
Barry van Someren, an ex-Java developer and founder of CoffeeSprout, discusses his shift from hourly work to value-based services. He shares insights on recent tax law changes in the Netherlands that affect independent contractors, emphasizing the importance of multiple clients for business stability. Barry reveals how defining clear outcomes in contracts can enhance client relationships and reduce vulnerability. He highlights the necessity of adapting to evolving regulations and explores innovative pricing models for resilience in the gig economy.

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Jan 21, 2025 • 48min
Louis Grenier - The Stand The F*ck Out Book Interview (explicit, obvs)
The handsome and talented Louis Grenier joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about the strategy behind writing, publishing, and launching his new book, Stand The F*ck Out. Links:Stand The F*ck OutBonuses for Ditching Hourly ListenersAI Summary:In this conversation, Jonathan Stark interviews Louis Grenier about his journey in marketing, the insights from his new book, and the strategies behind its launch. Louis discusses the importance of standing out in a crowded market, the principles of effective marketing, and the challenges he faced while writing and publishing his book. He shares his unique approach to launching the book, including innovative marketing strategies and the significance of personal branding. In this conversation, Louis Grenier discusses his unique approach to branding and product design, particularly in the context of his book launch. He shares insights on working with Lulu, the importance of prioritizing tasks during the launch, and the lessons learned from mistakes made along the way. The value of beta readers and the iterative feedback process in writing are emphasized, along with strategies for promoting and selling his book effectively.
----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!

Jan 14, 2025 • 1h 11min
Dale Davidson - Solo Subcontracting For The Federal Government
Dale Davidson, the author of 'Going 1099: How To Become Solo Federal Sub-Contractor', shares his wisdom on transitioning to solo federal subcontracting. He discusses the intricacies of navigating hourly billing, the vital importance of security clearance, and how to build strong client relationships. Dale highlights the challenges of moving from employee to independent contractor while managing the complexities of government contracts. He also shares personal stories that emphasize flexibility, work-life balance, and finding one's niche in the contracting world.

Jan 7, 2025 • 1h 17min
Lauren Pearl - The Daily CFO Pricing Framework
Lauren Pearl, an Advisory CFO and insightful daily emailer, shares her expertise in pricing strategies tailored for startups and small businesses. She discusses the essential framework she's developed for setting floor and ceiling prices while emphasizing the importance of understanding customer perceptions and decision-making. Lauren also highlights the power of post-purchase feedback for enhancing client satisfaction and the need for flexibility through continuous experimentation in pricing. Tune in for actionable insights that can transform how you approach your business finances!