
"Upstream" with Erik Torenberg
You’ll hear consequential ideas here first, and in the mainstream months later. Upstream is a curated nexus feed from the Turpentine podcast network, bringing you expert-level conversations hosted by some of the most compelling thinkers in the world including Noah Smith, Samo Burja, Byrne Hobart, Erik Torenberg, and Nathan Labenz.
Guests include Marc Andreessen, Balaji Srinivasan, Dario Amodei, Brian Armstrong, David Sacks, Sam Harris, Katherine Boyle, Curtis Yarvin, and many more unmissable conversations.
Latest episodes

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Apr 3, 2025 • 1h 8min
E131: Abundance Agenda, The New Right, and 2008 Retrospective w/ Noah Smith
In this conversation, economist Noah Smith, known for his insights on business and politics, engages in a thought-provoking dialogue. He discusses the Abundance Agenda and its surprising appeal amidst political despondency. The talk also reflects on Obama's presidency, highlighting challenges to national unity and past achievements. Noah critiques the 2008 financial crisis responses and explores the ideological shifts within the New Right, analyzing their impact on contemporary public discourse, identity, and the role of technology in shaping our future.

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Mar 29, 2025 • 60min
E130: Elon Musk’s Network Effects and Checking in on Chinese AI w/ Byrne Hobart
Byrne Hobart, an investor and writer of the popular newsletter "The Diff," dives into intriguing discussions about political branding using Don Jr. as a case study. He examines the complexities surrounding founders stepping down amidst rising AI risks. The conversation shifts to Elon Musk's financial strategies and the evolving landscape of Twitter, alongside the geopolitical challenges posed by China’s tech ambitions. The pair also reflect on economic policies’ impact on U.S. politics and the global implications of open-source AI models.

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Mar 27, 2025 • 1h 3min
E129: Dark Triad, Romantic Partner Selection, and Dating Advice w/ Rob Henderson
Rob Henderson, an author focused on evolutionary psychology and modern dating, dives into the allure of dark triad traits in romantic partners. He explores why some women are drawn to dangerous men and the impact of dating apps on partner selection. Henderson shares practical advice for men to enhance their dating value through personal development, grooming, and education. The conversation reveals the shifting dynamics of vulnerability in men, critiquing societal perceptions while emphasizing the importance of kindness in the quest for genuine connections.

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Mar 23, 2025 • 53min
E128: US-Europe Relations, How Japan Can Strengthen The Yen, and Predicting AI’s Growth Effects w/ Noah Smith
Noah Smith, an economist and writer known for his sharp insights on economic trends, joins the discussion. He tackles the shifting dynamics of US-Europe relations and the implications of America's reduced commitment. Smith also explores how Japan can strengthen the yen, proposing a potential renewed Plaza Accord with the U.S. Further, he tempers expectations on AI's economic impact, analyzing challenges in productivity forecasting and government spending's role in GDP measurement. Insightful and provocative, his views illuminate today's complex geopolitical landscape.

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Mar 20, 2025 • 45min
E127: The Tech Right and How The Left Can Fix Itself w/ Jon Askonas
Jon Askonas, an assistant professor of politics and senior fellow at the Foundation for American Innovation, joins to discuss the unexpected coalition between MAGA supporters and Silicon Valley tech leaders. They delve into the evolution of political alignments, tensions within the tech right, and emerging issues like immigration and biotechnology. Askonas highlights the need for the left to better engage younger audiences and navigates the complexities of political transformations, including the implications of cryptocurrency and AI on future governance.

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Mar 15, 2025 • 1h 14min
E126: Data Center Economics and AI Energy Requirements w/ Patrick McKenzie and Azeem Azhar
Join Azeem Azhar, founder of the Exponential View newsletter, as he dives deep into the economics of data centers and their evolving energy demands. He discusses the historical context of infrastructure and how AI's exponential needs compare to past advancements. Azeem explores innovative solutions like small modular nuclear reactors and the potential of geothermal energy to meet future challenges. The conversation also touches on energy strategies in California and Texas, revealing how regional approaches differ in harnessing renewable resources.

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Mar 13, 2025 • 56min
E125: Palantir’s Politics, Elon’s Approach to DOGE, and AI’s Effects on Writing w/ Byrne Hobart
Explore the impact of AI on writing and the challenges of distinguishing it from human output. Discover how blogging has disrupted traditional media, reshaping credibility and monetization. Delve into the implications of AI on job security and personal privacy concerns in the digital age. Examine how media ownership influences political narratives and the consequences of foreign aid budget cuts. Finally, discuss the evolving political landscape of tech companies and their shift from rebellion to establishment as they navigate societal challenges.

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Mar 9, 2025 • 1h 9min
E124: How to Have A Philosophical Marriage w/ Agnes Callard and Arnold Brooks
In this engaging discussion, philosophy professors Agnes Callard and Arnold Brooks explore the dynamics of their unconventional marriage. They delve into how philosophical perspectives shape their relationship, viewing marriage as an evolving journey rather than a final destination. The duo discusses the significance of shared intellectual pursuits and the lessons learned from both marriage and divorce. They also touch on parenting, emphasizing the importance of curiosity and open dialogue in raising children, all while navigating the challenges of public perception.

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Mar 6, 2025 • 56min
E123: Trump & The Game of Populism w/ Samo Burja
In this discussion, Erik Torenberg chats with Samo Burja, founder of Bismarck Analysis and a seasoned political scientist. They delve into the challenges of populism, revealing how electoral wins often fail to translate into real change. The duo explores the historical context of populist movements, particularly in the U.S. and Europe, and how digital democracy reshapes political dynamics. They also discuss the implications of social media for political engagement and speculate on future candidates’ strategies to connect with voters.

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Mar 1, 2025 • 35min
E122: Victor Davis Hanson on What Trump Thinks of Zelensky and Predicting Geopolitics
Victor Davis Hanson, a renowned classicist and military historian at the Hoover Institution, shares his insights on pressing geopolitical issues. The discussion explores future dynamics for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan, alongside Trump's potential legacy. Hanson critiques the evolving American political landscape, highlighting the Democratic Party's disconnect from middle-class voters and Trump's unique messaging approach. He also examines NATO relations and the necessity for stronger European defense amid shifting global powers, ensuring a thought-provoking conversation on international affairs.