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"Upstream" with Erik Torenberg

E123: Trump & The Game of Populism w/ Samo Burja

Mar 6, 2025
In this discussion, Erik Torenberg chats with Samo Burja, founder of Bismarck Analysis and a seasoned political scientist. They delve into the challenges of populism, revealing how electoral wins often fail to translate into real change. The duo explores the historical context of populist movements, particularly in the U.S. and Europe, and how digital democracy reshapes political dynamics. They also discuss the implications of social media for political engagement and speculate on future candidates’ strategies to connect with voters.
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Quick takeaways

  • Populist politics often wins elections by appealing to the masses but struggles to implement lasting changes due to entrenched bureaucratic systems.
  • Historical and contemporary examples illustrate the risks and limitations of populism, including governance failures despite electoral success.

Deep dives

Challenges of Populism in Politics

Populism often wins elections by appealing to popular sentiment, yet it struggles to implement significant changes once in power. A key challenge lies in the overwhelming presence of the administrative state, which can undermine populist initiatives. Historical examples, such as Hugo Chavez's populist allure in Venezuela, illustrate how popular support can sometimes lead to disastrous decisions when the practical implications of governance are overlooked. The paradox lies in how modern populism, while powerful in securing election victories, may falter when attempting to challenge entrenched bureaucratic systems.

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