
"Upstream" with Erik Torenberg
You’ll hear consequential ideas here first, and in the mainstream months later. Upstream is a curated nexus feed from the Turpentine podcast network, bringing you expert-level conversations hosted by some of the most compelling thinkers in the world including Noah Smith, Samo Burja, Byrne Hobart, Erik Torenberg, and Nathan Labenz.
Guests include Marc Andreessen, Balaji Srinivasan, Dario Amodei, Brian Armstrong, David Sacks, Sam Harris, Katherine Boyle, Curtis Yarvin, and many more unmissable conversations.
Latest episodes

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Feb 27, 2025 • 47min
E121: Kevin Kelly on What Makes Us Human in an AI World
In this discussion, Kevin Kelly, the founding executive editor of Wired Magazine and author of 'Excellent Advice for Living,' delves into the relationship between technology and humanity. He highlights how gratitude enhances our connections and empathy. The talk also covers AI's impact on labor markets, ethical concerns around genetic engineering, and the gradual evolution of humans alongside technology. Kelly challenges simplistic views on AI dominance, urging a deeper understanding of humanity's coexistence with advances in AI.

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Feb 23, 2025 • 57min
E120: Why Europe Matters for America’s Future w/ Samo Burja
Samo Burja, co-host of Live Players and a keen analyst of global power dynamics, joins to discuss how U.S. politics shape European culture. They explore the influence of American ideologies on young Europeans and the role of social media in political engagement. The conversation dives into AI's intersection with democracy, examining its effects on public opinion and the rise of European alternatives. Burja also highlights transatlantic shifts in free speech and the complexities of sovereignty in a multipolar world.

Feb 20, 2025 • 56min
E119: Free Trade, AI Integration, and Shopify Q4 Results w/ Shopify President Harley Finkelstein
Harley Finkelstein, President of Shopify, shares insights on e-commerce trends and the impact of tariffs on small businesses. He highlights the evolving landscape for entrepreneurs, emphasizing how starting a business is easier today than ever before. Finkelstein discusses alternative funding sources and the importance of mentorship in entrepreneurship. He also touches on Shopify's impressive growth while navigating data privacy challenges, and explores the interplay between entrepreneurship and politics, advocating for a more supportive environment.

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Feb 17, 2025 • 1h 46min
E118: Ending Woke, Why Elon Wins, and A Return to Innovation w/ Marc Andreessen [Moment of Zen repost]
Marc Andreessen, co-founder of Netscape and a leading investor, joins the discussion to dissect America’s evolving political and cultural landscape. They delve into preference falsification and its controversial impact on DEI practices and cancellation culture. The conversation navigates the absurdities of modern segregation, the effects of digital communication in shaping ideologies, and the shifting legal landscape around biased hiring. They also explore the intricate relationship between risk-taking in innovation and the role of governance, offering insights into contemporary challenges.

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Feb 14, 2025 • 59min
E117: The Future of Martian & Interplanetary Societies w/ Samo Burja
Samo Burja, an expert on economics, politics, and technology, shares fascinating insights about interplanetary colonization. He discusses how different celestial societies could emerge, focusing on Martian identity and the cultural dynamics with Earth. The conversation explores space treaties, the strategic importance of lunar bases, and resource competition among nations. Burja also speculates on technological advancements and the role of AI in shaping a multi-planetary future, pondering how these changes might unify or divide humanity.

Feb 8, 2025 • 1h 3min
E116: Stuck Academia, US vs China, and Why Startups Work
Steve Hsu, a physicist and startup founder, discusses the deep ideological biases festering in academia and their impact on intellectual diversity. He explores how AI is reshaping labor markets and the potential opportunities it presents. The conversation highlights China's geopolitical advancements and the critical need for nuanced understanding of its tech landscape. Hsu also touches on global demographic shifts, underpopulation issues, and the evolving roles of women, linking these trends to changes in higher education and societal dynamics.

Feb 6, 2025 • 1h 7min
E115: New Tariff Implications, DeepSeek and Open Source Analysis, and Meta’s Big Bets w/ Byrne Hobart
Byrne Hobart, a prominent writer of "The Diff" and co-host of "The Riff," joins Erik Torenberg to explore a range of pressing topics. They dissect the new tariff implications on global markets, the rise of populism, and the complexities of AI technologies like DeepSeek. The conversation also covers Meta's ambitious plans in the realms of VR and AI, along with the challenges posed by open-source models. Furthermore, they touch on innovative talent strategies and the evolving dynamics of the stock market, particularly in tech.

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Feb 2, 2025 • 56min
E114: Tyler Cowen on Legacy, Twitter + Harvard, and Fertility Decline [Upstream Archive]
Tyler Cowen, a leading economist and author, delves into fascinating topics like the contributions of great economists and the impact of AI on our future. He examines the troubling decline in fertility rates, discussing innovative policies to support parents balancing career and family. Cowen also critiques the current state of higher education, speculating on the evolving role of institutions like Harvard in light of changing cultural dynamics. Additionally, he reflects on the challenges facing academia post-Elon Musk's Twitter acquisition and the importance of nurturing unique intellectual contributions.

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Jan 31, 2025 • 54min
E113: Reflections on Yarvin, Why the Right is Stuck, and Startups as Dictatorships w/ Samo Burja
Samo Burja, an expert on global power dynamics, joins to discuss Curtis Yarvin's impactful NYT interview. They explore the intriguing comparison of corporate leadership to government functionality and the necessity for dynamic leaders to avoid stagnation. Burja highlights how ineffective governance can hinder innovation, especially in the tech sector. The conversation also looks at the evolution of political ideologies, advocating for a fresh direction in American politics, while examining changing perceptions of controversial thinkers throughout history.

Jan 25, 2025 • 1h 10min
E112: Election Update, Tech’s Political Shift, and America’s Stuck GDP | This Won’t Last
Keith Rabois and Kevin Ryan dive into the shifting political landscape post-2020, highlighting Trump's newfound tech support and the complexities following the election. They discuss immigration policy's intertwining with national debt, the rising crime dynamics in New York City, and the impact of political affiliations on the tech industry. The conversation goes further into energy challenges for tech companies, revealing how political discourse shapes their operations and the ongoing demand for engineering talent amid evolving corporate interests.