
The Behavioral Design Podcast
How can we change behavior in practice? What role does AI have to play in behavioral design? Listen in as hosts Samuel Salzer and Aline Holzwarth speak with leading experts on all things behavioral science, AI, design, and beyond. The Behavioral Design Podcast from Habit Weekly and Nuance Behavior provides a fun and engaging way to learn about applied behavioral science and how to design for behavior change in practice. The latest season explores the fascinating intersection of Behavioral Design and AI. Subscribe and follow! For questions or to get in touch, email podcast@habitweekly.com.
Latest episodes

Jul 12, 2021 • 39min
Season 1 Finale!
We've reached the end of season 1 - yay! 🎉 In this finale, we sit down and nerd out about all things behavioral as Aline is welcomed back from her baby cave. We explore the growing landscape of behavioral associations, the recent attempts to incentivize vaccine uptake, we languish on languishing, talk faulty risk perceptions, and, our course, complete a final round of overrated vs. underrated.
Relevant links
Recently launched behavioral associations and groups (and their abbreviations):
GAABS - The Global Association of Applied Behavioural Scientists
ABSA - Applied Behavioral Science Association
UNBSG - UN Behavioural Science Group
IBPPA - International Behavioural Public Policy Association
Vaccination uptake
Lottery-Based Incentive in Ohio and COVID-19 Vaccination Rates
Going local with the COVID-19 vaccine
Flourishing & languishing
There’s a Name for the Blah You’re Feeling: It’s Called Languishing
The Other Side of Languishing Is Flourishing. Here’s How to Get There
Dan Ariely on wine
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The song used is Murgatroyd by David Pizzaro.

Jun 18, 2021 • 48min
Blindsight & Neuroscience of Marketing with Matt Johnson and Prince Ghuman
Matt Johnson is a professor, researcher, and writer specializing in the application of neuroscience and psychology to the business world and Prince Ghuman is an experienced marketer with great experience of applying neuroscience to marketing and business strategy. Together they've written the book Blindsight: The (Mostly) Hidden Ways Marketing Reshapes Our Brain.
In this episode, we have a fun conversation with Matt and Prince about what the heck "Blindsight" is and what it has to do with decision-making, we dive into the ethics around using behavioral science for good (and for less obviously good “marketing” purposes) and how we can solve the thorny problem of tech addiction.
Links and resources:
Matt's LinkedIn & Twitter
Prince's LinkedIn & Twitter
Their book: Blindsight
Their certification
Their blog
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The song used is Murgatroyd by David Pizzaro.
*This episode was recorded in Q1 of 2021

Jun 16, 2021 • 37min
Real-World Behavioral Economics with Kelly Peters
Kelly Peters, CEO and Co-founder of BEworks, shares her journey into behavioral economics, challenges related to COVID-19, understanding investor biases, veganism's environmental impact, and the role of regulation in behavioral economics.

Jun 14, 2021 • 28min
A Slight Change of Plans with Maya Shankar
Maya Shankar is the Senior Director of Behavioral Economics at Google and previously served as a Senior Advisor in the Obama White House, where she founded and served as Chair of the White House's Behavioral Science Team. For good measure, she also served as the first Behavioral Science Advisor to the United Nations. Most recently, Maya launched "A Slight Change of Plans," a fantastic new podcast with Pushkin Industries.
In this episode, Maya shares her journey into behavioral science and highlights along the way, including the importance of her mentors, reminiscing about her time leading the White House's Behavioral Science Team, and whether it's harder to change minds or change behaviors.
Links and resources:
Maya's website
Social media: LinkedIn & Twitter
Maya's podcast: A Slight Change of Plans
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The song used is Murgatroyd by David Pizzaro.

Jun 2, 2021 • 45min
The Science of Love & Dating with Logan Ury
Logan Ury is a behavioral scientist-turned dating coach and Hinge’s Director of Relationship Science. She recently published How to Not Die Alone – a fantastic book on the surprising science that will help you find love.
We speak about all things behavioral science and modern love, including how Hinge designs the app to be deleted and common cognitive biases in dating. We also talk about how Logan became the lead of Google’s behavioral science and was later able to build a successful career combining her passion for behavioral science and relationship science. Hope you love it!
Links and resources:
Logan's website
Social media: LinkedIn, Twitter & Instagram
Logan's book: How to Not Die Alone
The Three Dating Tendencies Quiz
Modern Love - New York Times article by Logan
OKcupid Experiment
Rom-Com recommendation: Hitch
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The song used is Murgatroyd by David Pizzaro.

May 19, 2021 • 44min
Brainy Business with Melina Palmer
Interested in learning more about how Behavioral Economics can be used in practice? Great, this episode is for you! It features a fun conversation with Melina Palmer, one of the leading experts in applied Behavioral Economics. Melina is the founder and CEO of the Brainy Business, teaches Applied BE at Texas A&M University and recently published her first book, What Your Customer Wants and Can’t Tell You.
We speak about her journey and how she built her Brainy Business podcast and community, how she supports her clients to ask better questions, important principles regarding pricing, and we talk cookies! Enjoy! 🍪
Links and resources:
Melina's website, LinkedIn and Twitter
Her book What Your Customer Wants and Can’t Tell You
FREE workbook: thebrainybusiness.com/habitweekly
Right Questions Institute - Questionstorming
Melina sings the national anthem
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The song used is Murgatroyd by David Pizzaro.

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Apr 21, 2021 • 54min
Lessons About the Brain with Lisa Feldman Barrett
This episode features a profound conversation with world-renowned neuroscientist and psychologist Lisa Feldman Barrett. Lisa is among the top 1% of most-cited scientists in the world, with over 240 peer-reviewed scientific papers contributing to her revolutionary research in psychology and neuroscience. Outside of the lab, she's a best-selling author and her popular TED talk has more than 6 million views. TLDR: Lisa is a rockstar 🤘.
We cover several interesting topics, including why your brain is not for thinking, how prediction becomes reality, why most people are wrong in how they think about emotions, the best type of chocolate (spoiler: dark), and much more. Enjoy!
Links and resources:
Lisa's website and Twitter
Latest book: Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain
Previous book: How Emotions are Made: The Secret Life of the Brain
Some of Lisa's selected journal publications and research papers
Lisa's TED Talk: You aren't at the mercy of your emotions -- your brain creates them
Jim Coan describing his heart attack on his Circle of Willis Podcast
Dharmakīrti buddhism
Books referenced:
Margaret Atwood books: Cat's Eye, Oryx and Crake & The Edible Woman
Stuart Firestein books: Failure: Why Science Is so Successful and Ignorance: How it drives science
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The song used is Murgatroyd by David Pizzaro.

Apr 7, 2021 • 47min
Mindful Behavioral Science with Clare Purvis
This episode features an insightful conversation with Dr. Clare Purvis, Director of Behavioral Science at Headspace. Clare is a clinical psychologist with extensive experience working in health technology, translating clinical evidence into commercially viable, engaging, and innovative digital products.
We cover several interesting topics, including how Clare transitioned from academia to the start-up world, how we can building systems of behavior change in organizations, what makes a good onboarding, and how to design for mindfulness. Enjoy!
Links:
Clare's website and LinkedIn
Clare is the founder of WELL, Women Entrepreneurs & Leaders Laboratory, which is the first professional organization for women clinicians and scientists leading the way in digital health.
Aline's previous interview with Clare
Habit Weekly Pro 🚀

Mar 24, 2021 • 43min
The Behavioral Science of Policy and Organizations with Nina Mažar
This episode features an insightful conversation with the fantastic Nina Mažar. Nina has been part of founding BEworks, BEAR (Behavioral Economics in Action at Rotman center), and the World Banks' behavioral science team. She is currently professor of marketing and co-director of the Susilo Institute for Ethics in the Global Economy at Boston University.
We cover several interesting topics, including how Nina got started in the field, three pieces of advice for starting a behavioral science unit, nudging for diversity and honesty, plus what to get next time you're ordering Balkan food. Enjoy!
Links:
Nina's website, LinkedIn and Twitter
Nina's TEDx talk on honesty and intentions
Habit Weekly Pro 🚀
Timestamps
00:23: Episode overview
01:41: Interview begins
02:02: Nina details her background in behavioral science
04:29: How Nina’s work in both industry and academia shaped her view on behavioral science research
08:49: Nina discusses setting up the World Bank’s behavioral science unit
11:59: Nina’s advice on setting up a behavioral science team in an organisation
Get shared buy-in within the organisation
Data collection capacities and well-functioning internal systems
Have a legal team on board
17:01: Reflecting on studies on dishonesty and nudging people via signature at the top
22:04: Why is the “bad apple” narrative so persistent?
24:16: How can behavioral science help counter discrimination and racism?
28:22: Countering gender bias in news reporting in Sweden via transparency
32:42: Underrated vs Overrated
Revealed preferences
Rationalisation
Replication studies
Crotian cuisine
Bosnian cuisine
Place’s Nina has lived
Origami
39:02: How Nina applies behavioral science in her own life
41:03: Concluding remarks
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Timestamps & shownotes compiled by Keith Broni 🏆
The song used is Murgatroyd by David Pizzaro.
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Mar 10, 2021 • 50min
Building Habits with Wendy Wood
This episode is special. It features a conversation with the world-renowned habit researcher, Wendy Wood. Wendy has devoted the last 30 years to researching how habits work and recently published the fantastic book Good Habits, Bad Habits.
The episode is packed with insights, and we cover all things habits, from the difference between habits vs. routines to the impact of reward and context on habit formation. If you're curious to understand habits better, this episode is for you!
Links:
Wendy's website (where you can find here book) and her Twitter
Wendy's labs habit research
Habit Weekly Pro 🚀
Key points:
Changing attitudes is often not enough – even when we change people's attitude, their behavior doesn't always follow. And it's the behavior we care about, what they do.
The average person rarely distinguish between habits, behavior, intentions, beliefs and attitudes. "It's all all the same, all part of me and my decision making". It's important to differentiate these things as our brains consist of different systems that helps us accomplish different things.
There's a habit learning system designed specifically to pick up repetition of behaviour in a given context that generated some form of reward. We can think of reward as not money, but what makes you feel good. Habits are the context response associations that you form in memory, when you repeat a behaviour, often enough for the for it to become automatic. Additionally, routines are simply sequences of habit.
We can can change people's attitudes and beliefs for short periods, but these changes can disappear once they go back to real life if we fail to change the system. We need to understand the broader influences on someone's behavior in order to design contextual cues and rewards that helps them respond in new ways long-term.
Timestamps:
00:16: Episode overview
01:33: Interview starts
02:00: Wendy details her background and how she got started researching habits
03:55: Differentiating habits and behavior
06:50: Distinguishing between routines and habits
08:10: The automaticity of bias associations compared to the automaticity of habits
10:50: Can one-off trainings really be used to create new habits
13:16: Changing day-to-day environments and systems to change habits
16:28: Sam tells an anecdote about the influence of context on habits
18:30: The temporal dynamic of habit activation
20:42: Recurring contextual associations with a habit
21:27: Internal states as context cues for habits
23:52: Incentivising habits with rewards
26:54: Case study: encouraging use of an office’s stairs over an elevator
29:40: Best way to incentivise new habits
33:57: How is frequency related to establishing a new habit
35:30: The generalisation of habits
37:10: Overrated vs Underrated
Having a car
Experience sampling
Behaviorism
The clean plate club
Paris
The marshmallow study
Sidewalks
Rituals
Mise en place
44:47: What bad habit has been Wendy’s greatest nemesis in her personal life
47:36: Concluding remarks
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Timestamps & shownotes compiled by Keith Broni 🏆
The song used is Murgatroyd by David Pizzaro.
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