
Product Thinking
Successful product management isn’t just about training the product managers who work side by side with developers everyday to build better products. It’s about taking a step back, approaching the systems within organizations as a whole, and leveling up product leadership to improve these systems. This is the Product Thinking Podcast, where Melissa Perri will connect with industry leading experts in the product management space, AND answer your most pressing questions about everything product. Join us each week to level up your skillset and invest in yourself as a product leader.
Latest episodes

Apr 16, 2025 • 47min
Episode 219: The Real Role of Product Marketing in Strategy with Rebecca Shaddix
Rebecca Shaddix, a seasoned marketing executive and go-to-market strategist, discusses the concept of 'acceptable mistakes' in market strategy. She emphasizes the importance of balancing speed with quality to align team efforts. Shaddix critiques the trend-driven obsession with AI, urging for its intentional use in product development. The conversation dives into the critical partnership between product management and marketing, highlighting the need for data literacy and customer focus in effective decision-making and strategy formation.

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Apr 9, 2025 • 48min
Episode 218: Turning Belkin into a Design-Led Company with Oliver Seil
Oliver Seil, Vice President of Design at Belkin, shares how the company embraced a design-led culture. He emphasizes the importance of leadership support and collaboration among teams to elevate user experience. The conversation dives into the balance of innovation and operational needs, advocating for experimentation in design. Oliver also highlights how diversity and empathy in teams foster creativity, ensuring products are both functional and appealing. His insights reveal how a playful atmosphere can drive innovation and inclusivity in design.

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Apr 2, 2025 • 40min
Episode 217: Behind the Scenes of Pendo’s Product Operations Evolution with Jessica Soroky
Jessica Soroky, Senior Director of Product Operations at Pendo, discusses the evolution of product operations in tech. She shares insights on transforming Scrum Masters into holistic Program Managers, enhancing cross-department collaboration. The conversation shifts to leveraging AI to alleviate data burdens, allowing product managers to focus on strategic decisions. Jessica emphasizes the need for proactive engagement and the importance of aligning data insights with customer needs to drive innovation and optimize product launches.

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Mar 26, 2025 • 49min
Episode 216: Getting OKRs Right: Planning with Impact at OLX with Hugo Froes
Hugo Froes, Head of Operations at OLX, brings his expertise in UX and service design to discuss the intersection of product operations and business needs. He shares insights on standardizing OKR frameworks to enhance flexibility while ensuring measurable outcomes. The conversation also covers the evolving role of product management, emphasizing the need for adaptable methodologies and empowering teams. Hugo highlights how AI can optimize efficiency, enabling teams to focus on high-value interactions while navigating challenges in user experience.

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Mar 19, 2025 • 44min
Episode 215: Transforming Enterprise Sales: The Gong Story with Eilon Reshef
Eilon Reshef, Co-founder and Chief Product Officer of Gong, shares his expertise on transforming enterprise sales through AI technology. He emphasizes the importance of prioritizing seller-centric value to empower salespeople and drive growth. Eilon discusses Gong's innovative organizational structure that fosters continuous feedback from design partners, crucial for product development. He explores how analyzing sales conversations can enhance strategies and customer insights, ultimately leading to increased revenue and satisfaction. Tune in for valuable actionable insights!

Mar 12, 2025 • 48min
Episode 214: From Apple to FinTech: Balancing Automation & Customer Trust with David Myszewski
David Myszewski, VP of Product at Wealthfront and former iPhone developer at Apple, discusses his transition into the FinTech world. He emphasizes that consumer technology skills are crucial for creating excellent user experiences. David shares insights on how Wealthfront integrates consumer research and support into product development, enhancing financial products. He highlights the importance of trust and adaptability in digital investments, as well as the need for quick, user-friendly solutions that cater to evolving customer demands.

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Mar 5, 2025 • 54min
Episode 213: How Vanguard is Modernizing Finance Through Digital Innovation with Marco and Amber
Marco De Freitas, Chief Product Officer for Vanguard's Personal Investor Business, and Amber Brestowski, Chief Product Officer for the Retirement Business, discuss Vanguard's transformative digital journey. They emphasize aligning product strategies with business goals for improved client experiences. The duo reveals how Vanguard leverages AI and behavioral finance to enhance retirement readiness. They also share insights on creating a culture of experimentation to engage clients better and drive superior investment outcomes, making financial services accessible and user-friendly.

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Feb 26, 2025 • 49min
Episode 212: Avoiding Common Pitfalls in Corporate Innovation with Ben Hafele
Ben Hafele, CEO of Lean Startup Company, shares his expertise on corporate innovation. He discusses how large companies can incorporate lean startup principles for sustainable growth. Key topics include creating 'connective tissue' linking innovation with business strategy and balancing experimentation with corporate goals. Ben emphasizes avoiding unnecessary complexity and maintaining strategic alignment. He also highlights the importance of research, collaboration, and starting with small projects to foster innovation in corporate settings.

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Feb 19, 2025 • 1h 3min
Episode 211: The Power of Team Topologies with Matthew Skelton
Matthew Skelton, co-author of "Team Topologies," is a leading voice in organizational design for software delivery. He discusses how team topologies can revolutionize product management by enhancing collaboration and reducing cognitive load. The conversation highlights the shift from project-based to product-focused models, the importance of domain expertise, and the strategic use of metrics in improving customer outcomes. Skelton also shares insights on navigating the challenges of rigid planning and the evolving role of AI in product development.

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Feb 12, 2025 • 52min
Episode 210: Navigating Product Leadership in Complex Industries with Fabio Brocca
Fabio Brocca, Chief Product Officer at Xeneta and former Amazon and MSC executive, joins to share his insights on product leadership in the freight industry. He emphasizes the importance of adapting strategies through real-time feedback to drive innovation. Balancing speed with quality in product launches is crucial, and he provides actionable tips for maintaining this equilibrium. Fabio also discusses navigating compliance in shipping software and highlights the significance of relationship building and team dynamics in fast-paced environments.
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