
The Land Investing Business Secrets
Learn how to fully utilize simple digital marketing strategies and tools for your vacant land investing business. Learn about tested methods and avoid some of the difficult lessons so that you can fast track your own investing with minimal risk.
The Land Investing Business Secrets Podcast show by Pebble, hosted by Jessey Kwong, reveals the strategies to growing, scaling, and building your sustainable land investing business all behind your laptop and smartphone form anywhere around the world!
Latest episodes

Jan 2, 2025 • 40min
No Toilets, Termites or Tenants: From House to Land Flipping (Podcast Ep#127)
The beauty of flipping land for Wayne Mutata?
Not having to deal with the dreaded Three T’s.
“No toilets, termites or tenants” as he puts it.
A winding road took Wayne from Zimbabwe to Pennsylvania and then from gym owner to house wholesaler and eventually top-tier land flipper.
Transitioning from houses to land wasn’t exactly a walk in the park though and he candidly takes us through the mistakes he made along the way – some of which became blessings in disguise.
Whether it was finding out how to hire the right VAs, the value of moving from spreadsheets to a proper CRM to manage his land biz or teaming up with other investors to learn the ropes, Wayne is a true fountain of knowledge.
Tune in for the goods.
IN THIS EPISODE:
Learn why Wayne switched from Investment Dominator to Pebble
Discover how joint ventures can accelerate your growth as a land investor
Find out why specialized, land VAs are a gamechanger
Show notes
IG: https://www.instagram.com/landflipking/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@landflipking
FB: https://www.facebook.com/wmutata
https://www.skool.com/landskool/about

Dec 19, 2024 • 37min
24 Biggest Land Lessons of 2024 (Podcast Ep#126)
What better way to wrap up the year than a lightning-fast review of the most impactful insights we heard on the show?
We talked to a ton of investors and covered a lot of ground in 2024 so whittling it down to just 24 nuggets was no easy task.
But we did it 😉
Tune in to hear from the likes of Alicia Jarret, Clayton Helper Ajay Sharma, Sumner Healy and many, many others.
IN THIS EPISODE:
The 24 top land investing insights from 2024
Practical guidance you can start using today
Advice on mailers, pricing, partners, hiring, cold calling and more

Dec 5, 2024 • 46min
How To Build A (Successful) Land Business as a Couple (Podcast Ep#125)
Thinking about going into business with your significant other but worried about how to make it work?
Or if it can work at all?
This is the episode for you.
Katie and Brian Desmarais are the married duo behind [Patriot Plots](https://www.patriotplots.com/) and in this episode, they take us through their decision to build a business together – and how it’s working out so well.
Spoiler: having a shared vision plays a *big* role in their success.
On top of that, they both excel in different parts of their land business, allowing each to stay in their own lane and shine.
And guess what?
It’s going so well that Katie was able to quit her W-2 job within 11 months of them starting the business.
Tune in and find out how.
IN THIS EPISODE:
- Discover how Brian and Katie built a land business as a couple – and why it’s working
- House vs land investing; Brian came from the housing world, find out which skills came with him
- Learn why follow-ups, building rapport and creating relationships are mission-critical to making deals

Nov 21, 2024 • 45min
Texting Out, Mailing In? (And Why Consistency Always Matters) (Podcast Ep#124)
Ever heard of the KISS principle?
Keep it simple, stupid.
Well, that’s been something of a guiding light for Austin Graham, financial advisor turned full-time land investor—a guy whose first deal was buying half a mountain.
In this episode, Austin explains why he dropped texting in favor of old-fashioned, tried-and-true mailers (hint: regulations) and breaks down his simple strategy for landing 2 to 4 deals per month.
As he puts it, the land business is just a numbers game. Do the work, get the law of averages on your side and reap the rewards.
Personally, we’re big fans of this advice trifecta he shared:
Take massive imperfect action
Progress, not perfection
Keep it simple
IN THIS EPISODE:
Find out why consistency trumps just about everything else
Learn the one VERY clear offer letter tweak that’s yielded him many deals
Discover how he uses the Pebble Pricer tool to zero in on price per acre for his blind offers

Nov 7, 2024 • 44min
How I Became the Center of Land Deals (BONUS, Negotiation Scripts) (Podcast Ep#123)
“If land were really that difficult, you think a fella named Rooster would’ve figured it out?”
Rooster Vance, the land legend of Texas – and well known beyond the borders of the Lone Star state – talks to us about how he’s been able to kill it so quickly in the larger land niche.
It all comes down to an easy formula:
Networking + understanding what big buyers need
Put another way, land deals are the simplest deals to do once you know where to find big acreage buyers, the ins and outs of what those buyers want and how they need the contracts written.
The rest is essentially like filling in the blanks, something Rooster walks us through in detail.
And through networking, these massive land deals now come to him.
IN THIS EPISODE:
Understand the power of a personal brand – exhibit A: Rooster’s TikTok page
Learn how larger deals can actually be easier than smaller ones
Discover how networking creates motivated inbound leads
BONUS: Grab 3 free scripts specifically for larger land deals

Oct 24, 2024 • 37min
Land newbie to major subdivides: lessons from 3 months in the game (Podcast Ep#122)
Kevin Murray got into land 3 months before the recording of this episode.
In that time – from June to September – he and his partner:
Doubled their money on their first flip: $18K -> $36K
Got ~150 acres under contract
Dove straight into big-ticket subdivides
How’d they make it work so fast?
It wasn’t luck.
After a decade in advertising, Kevin moved into real estate in 2020, where he and his team focused on mobile homes and tiny home communities – they now have ~695 sites under management.
But they were buried in work, 60-80 hours a week.
The move to land only happened after they discovered the key to buying back their time: systems and processes.
Tune in to find out what else supercharged their growth.
IN THIS EPISODE:
Understand how concrete, detailed systems are the fuel for growth
Discover why bias towards action is imperative for success
Learn the value of not being afraid to reach out to experts
BONUS: Comps are key for all land investors, check out the free Pebble Pricer Chrome Extension

Oct 10, 2024 • 46min
A Murder of a Land Deal: A Halloween Horror Story (Podcast Ep#121)
Are messy properties worth the headache?
In this episode, we’re talking to Josiah Ronco about a hair-raising deal that took roughly 17 months to close.
Starting with murder – just in time for Halloween, right? – and moving from probate to rights of survivorship to tracking down 8 signatures with mobile notaries across the countries and finally creating an easement for a memorial site…this property was about as nightmarish as it gets.
Was it worth it?
Depends on if 5-figure profit margins are your cup of tea.
Certainly one of the wildest stories we’ve heard!
We also cover Josiah’s team building and how creating content is starting to play a big role in his land business.
IN THIS EPISODE:
Hear a truly wild property tale
Learn if/when messy properties are worth the hassle
Find out how Josiah has gotten himself out of the operator role and into being a business owner
BONUS: Learn about mouth taping!
Shownotes:
Josiah@acrevault.com
offers@acrevault.com

Sep 26, 2024 • 32min
One change to your land biz that will INSTANTLY expand your buyer pool (Podcast Ep#120)
Two words: seller financing.
As a property owner, when you can provide the capital necessary to make a purchase rather than requiring all the cash up front, you’re increasing the number of interested buyers.
In this episode, JT Olmstead takes us through the world of seller financing, from the key levers that inform the loan structure to his typical loan terms and how quickly he aims to get his initial capital back (it’s pretty quick).
The benefits to seller/owner financing?
Easier, faster and higher priced deals.
Is owner financing right for you?
You’ll find out if it’s a good fit for you after tuning in.
IN THIS EPISODE:
Learn the 4 critical levers that dictate loan terms
Discover how Your Land Loans streamlines note creation, communication and payment
Find out about the basics of loan origination regulations

Sep 12, 2024 • 45min
Google Vs Facebook ads for land investing: Which is king? (Podcast Ep#119)
The answer might surprise you.
As land investors, we’ve long been aware of the power of Facebook for grabbing leads but are we sleeping on pay-per-click (PPC) Google ads?
We wanted to find out so we brought on PPC expert Brandon Bateman to give us the details…and it turns out Google search ads can be better for land investors than Facebook ads.
In this episode, Brandon takes us through the reasons why, one of them being that Google searches naturally have higher intent than passively scrolling Facebook.
He also clues us in on the mechanics of PPC advertising, the costs and which type of land investors this works best for.
IN THIS EPISODE:
Learn which ad platform works better for land investors; Google or Facebook
Get the details on what Google PPC ads are and how they work
Find out the expected cost per lead/deal as well as the potential return on investment (ROI)
Shownotes:
https://www.batemancollective.com/
https://get.batemancollective.com/relp/

Aug 29, 2024 • 48min
How 1+1=10 with a rock solid business partner (Podcast Ep#118)
Are you a Visionary or an Integrator in your land business?
More importantly, what the heck are Visionaries and Integrators, what do they actually do and how do they complement each other to scale a business?
That’s exactly what Ben Pijanowski of Assets for Acres breaks down for us in this episode.
As the Integrator to Ajay Sharma’s Visionary role, Ben thrives in the day-to-day operations of land investing.
That relationship and a clear focus on their roles allow them to both optimize their business *and* focus on growth by committing to one big project a quarter – growing the skillset and knowledge base of their team.
The key to unlocking this sort of partnership is finding the right person to collaborate with, which Ben gives some great tips for.
PLUS: If you’re a reader, check the show notes for lots of recs.
**IN THIS EPISODE:**
- Learn what the Visionary/Integrator relationship is and how it works
- Find out where to look for partners and the green flags to keep an eye out for
- Discover the importance of having clear roles
- [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/benpijanowski/)
- [Assets for Acres](https://www.assetsforacres.com/)