

Divergent Conversations
Megan Anna Neff & Patrick Casale
Dr. Megan Neff and Patrick Casale are two Neurodivergent therapists in a neurotypical world. During this podcast, they’ll talk about their own personal experiences as Autistic-ADHDers. They will reflect on their lived experience as AuDHD mental health professionals, and entrepreneurs, as well as offer clinical guidance, and support. Episodes will be conversational in nature, and they’ll interview other ND Folx to amplify the voices of other neurodivergent advocates and individuals as they share their authentic stories. New episodes will come out weekly, on all major platforms. Megan told Patrick, ”I’ll bring the chaos, You organize it.” This perfectly sums up their working relationship and friendship. Reflections of two neurodivergent clinicians. Raw, Vulnerable, Affirmative As Hell. Follow on instagram.com/divergentconversations
Topics include Autism, ADHD, Sleep struggles, Chronic Illness, RSD, Alexithymia, Autistic burnout, Intersectionality, Neuroqueer, Creativity, OCD, Neurodivergence, Affirming Language, Small business ownership, Unpacking Internalized Ableism, and so much more.
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Topics include Autism, ADHD, Sleep struggles, Chronic Illness, RSD, Alexithymia, Autistic burnout, Intersectionality, Neuroqueer, Creativity, OCD, Neurodivergence, Affirming Language, Small business ownership, Unpacking Internalized Ableism, and so much more.
If you love the podcast, please leave us a 5 star review https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/divergent-conversations/id1662009631
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Legal Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be considered medical advice. Always consult a qualified healthcare provider or medical professional for personalized advice regarding any medical condition or treatment.
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May 17, 2024 • 55min
Episode 54: Rethinking Parenting: Supporting Gender Diverse and Neurodivergent Youth [featuring Lisa Dube]
If you're parenting a neurodivergent child or young adult, you understand that traditional approaches don't always fit. Balancing the unique needs with the world's expectations can feel isolating and overwhelming.In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, two AuDHD mental health professionals, speak with Lisa Dube, a licensed clinical social worker, a specialist in gender identities and neurodivergence, and the founder of Merrimack River Wellness. They dive into the nuances of parenting, supporting, and understanding neurodivergent children, particularly those exploring their gender identity.Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode:Gain a deeper understanding of how to recognize and support the fight, flight, freeze, and fawn responses in neurodivergent children, helping you to interpret their behaviors through a more informed and empathetic lens.Learn from Lisa Dube's insights into the intersection of gender identity and neurodivergence, encouraging a curious and non-judgmental approach to parenting that embraces and respects your child's identity exploration.Discover practical advice on avoiding the "failure to launch" stereotype and fostering an environment of interdependence through "scaffolding,” particularly useful for parents of neurodivergent young adults who do not fit traditional developmental trajectories.As you tune into this vital conversation, reflect on how you can bring these strategies into your own family dynamics to support and strengthen the bond with your child. Consider how your parenting approach can evolve not just to cope with, but to actively enrich the journey of raising a neurodivergent child.More about Lisa Dube, MSW, LICSWFounder, Merrimack River WellnessLisa is neurodivergent and has been a licensed clinical social worker since 1995. Prior to opening her private practice, Lisa worked for the U.S. District Court for more than twenty years, as a treatment specialist. In 2018, she established a private practice focused on the needs of families and individuals navigating gender identity exploration and transition. Over the last few years, Lisa has become passionate about the intersectionality of gender and neurodivergence and has received extensive training in the neurodiversity-affirming paradigm. More recently, Lisa has completed Internal Family Systems (IFS) Level 1 & 2 training and has brought this non-pathologizing lens into her practice. She currently facilitates several groups for parents and for young adults, focused on the intersectionality of gender and neurodivergence. Lisa has a special interest in supporting parents in developing new narratives and ways of connecting with their young adult autistic children who may be challenged with the transition to adulthood. Lisa is licensed to provide clinical services in Massachusetts, Maine, Connecticut, and New Hampshire.Website: https://www.merrimackriverwellness.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/merrimackriverwellness————————————————————————————————🎙️Listen to more episodes of the Divergent Conversations Podcast🎙️Spotify🎙️Apple🎙️YouTube Music▶️ YouTube💬 Join Divergent Conversations Underground————————————————————————————————✨ Neurodivergent Insights Autistic Burnout ResourcesIf you’d like to supplement your learning on burnout, you can check out Neurodivergent Insights' resources on burnout. We have articles, an Autistic Burnout course, workbooks, and print books! Visit: neurodivergentinsights.com/burnout-resources————————————————————————————————💬 Join Divergent Conversations UndergroundDivergent Conversations Underground is a space for messy conversations, real connection, and unfinished thoughts in a neurodivergent-affirming community. If you’d like to go deeper with us into more nuanced, searching conversations, join here: divergentconversations.substack.com————————————————————————————————Mentioned in this episode:Neurodivergent Insights' Autistic Burnout ResourcesIf you’d like to supplement your learning on burnout, you can check out Neurodivergent Insights' resources on burnout. We have articles, an Autistic Burnout course, workbooks, and print books! Visit: https://neurodivergentinsights.com/burnout-resources

May 10, 2024 • 60min
Episode 53: The Intersection of Autism and Eating Disorders [featuring Livia Sara]
Livia Sara, an autism advocate in eating disorder recovery, discusses unique challenges faced by neurodivergent individuals, the power of autonomy in recovery, and personal struggles with eating disorders and addiction. The podcast explores misdiagnoses, societal perceptions of food, and the quest for identity amidst struggles with anorexia and depression.

May 3, 2024 • 58min
Episode 52: Understanding PMDD: The Link Between Hormonal Imbalances and Neurodivergence [featuring Jes Hagen]
Nutritional therapist Jes Hagen discusses PMDD, hormonal imbalances impacting mental health like ADHD and bipolar disorder. They explore integrative approaches, dietary choices, and lifestyle changes for better management. The conversation highlights the struggles of living with PMDD, the link between estrogen, dopamine receptors, and ADHD, and the challenges of traditional medical treatments.

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Apr 26, 2024 • 1h 9min
Episode 51: “What is Autism?” (Part 4): Special Interests and Complex Sensory Experiences
AuDHD mental health professionals, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, discuss special interests and sensory experiences in autism. They highlight the role of passions in forming connections and the diverse sensory systems that influence daily life. The conversation explores creating inclusive environments, understanding sensory challenges, and the interconnection of autism and ADHD criteria.

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Apr 19, 2024 • 55min
Episode 50: “What is Autism?” (Part 3): The Complex Interplay of Routine, Control, and Flexibility
Two AuDHD mental health professionals, Patrick Casale and Dr. Neff, discuss the importance and challenges of routines in the lives of Autistic individuals. They cover topics such as all-or-nothing thinking, struggles with flexibility, personal stories of routine disruptions, and the complexities of routine, control, and flexibility in relation to autism and gender differences.

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Apr 12, 2024 • 45min
Episode 49: "What is Autism?" (Part 2): Navigating the Social Labyrinth
Two AuDHD mental health professionals, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, discuss the complexities of friendship management for Autistic individuals, exploring the connection between relationships and common Autistic traits. They delve into social communication challenges, childhood friendships, friendship dynamics, repetitive behaviors, and the satisfaction of organizing collections.

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Apr 5, 2024 • 1h 2min
Episode 48: “What is Autism?” (Part 1): Understanding Autistic Communication
Two AuDHD mental health professionals, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Neff, dive into the nuances of autism, exploring social interactions, communication forms, and the impact of autistic culture. They discuss the challenges of social motivation, the unique ways care can be expressed for Autistic people, and how language choices can influence self-perception. The episode offers insights into the transforming neurodiversity landscape and encourages a shift away from deficit-focused narratives.

Mar 29, 2024 • 57min
Episode 47: Autistic Burnout (Part 2): A Deep Dive Into The Diversity of Burnout
Two AuDHD mental health professionals, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Ann Neff, discuss the nuances of burnout, seasonal depression, and strategic withdrawal. They explore how burnout can be related to other health conditions, the importance of honoring limitations, and tailored strategies for addressing burnout in neurodivergent individuals. The conversation sheds light on internalized ableism, grief, and the significance of communication in protecting one's energy.

Mar 22, 2024 • 59min
Episode 46: Navigating Neurodiversity in the Workplace: Crafting Safe Spaces [featuring Lyric Rivera]
Navigating neurodiversity in the workplace is crucial to creating inclusive spaces. Learn how to reframe workplace cultures to embrace neurodivergent strengths. Explore challenges faced by adults with later-in-life neurodivergent discovery. Implement neurodivergent-friendly practices for open communication and growth in the workplace.

Mar 15, 2024 • 1h 17min
Episode 45: The Creative Sides of Autism + Advocacy Through Art [featuring Bret Malley]
Explore the intersection of autism and creativity with guest Bret Malley, focusing on advocacy and the power of art. Learn about the importance of creating designated creative spaces. Discover the unexpected creative synergies that emerged during the pandemic.