

The Measure Pod
Measurelab
The Measure Pod is your go-to fortnightly podcast hosted by seasoned analytics pros. Join Dara Fitzgerald (Co-Founder at Measurelab) & Matthew Hooson (Head of Engineering at Measurelab) as they dive into the world of data, analytics and measurement—with a side of fun.
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Jun 17, 2022 • 29min
#41 Littledata’s GA4 journey (with Edward Upton)
This week Dan and Dara are joined by Edward Upton to talk about how Littledata are approaching GA4 with all of their ecommerce clients across Shopify and BigCommerce. They discuss the GA4 measurement protocol and the nuances that come with moving from the UA version, as well as some of the exciting features that GA4 is bringing to the table for the ecommerce space.
See Littledata's website for more on who they are and what they do with GA4 on Shopify and BigCommerce at https://bit.ly/3NWuAY6.
Find Ed over on LinkedIn at https://bit.ly/3mX1FaA.
In other news, Dan witnesses a lot of love, Dara sees some sailors and Ed gets a green thumb!
Follow Measurelab on LinkedIn for all the latest podcast episodes, analytics resources and industry news at https://bit.ly/3Ka513y.
Intro music composed by the amazing Confidential (Spotify https://spoti.fi/3JnEdg6).
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If you have some feedback or a suggestion for Dan and Dara, fill in the form https://bit.ly/3MNtPzl to let them know. Alternatively, you can email podcast@measurelab.co.uk to drop them a message.
Full show notes and transcript over at https://bit.ly/3xZWBsr.
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May 27, 2022 • 31min
#40 What is the modern data stack? (with Mark Rittman)
This week Dan and Dara are joined by Mark Rittman to talk about the 'modern data stack' and how the danger with all analytics implementations is the ‘so what’ factor. They also touch on how the changes in Google Analytics 4 are changing things for the modern data stack, and what type of company would truly benefit from a fully-fledged setup.
Check out Rittman Analytics - agile analytics consulting for the modern data stack - https://bit.ly/3LTE9oV.
Mark's Medium article on his Rittman Analytics' modern data stack setup called "How Rittman Analytics does Analytics Part 2 : Building our Modern Data Stack using dbt, Google BigQuery, Looker, Segment and Rudderstack." - https://bit.ly/3wRFOXO.
Check out Mark's DJing music on SoundCloud - https://bit.ly/3PIYMap.
In other news, Dan MeasureCamps, Dara swims and Mark cycles and makes music!
This is the last episode in this run, 40 episodes can you believe it?! See you all in a few weeks after a short break!
Check out on LinkedIn:
- Mark - https://bit.ly/3PLkdI0
- Dan - https://bit.ly/3JQKHEb
- Dara - https://bit.ly/3vzV0bO
- Measurelab - https://bit.ly/3Ka513y
Music from Confidential, check out more of their lofi beats on Spotify at https://spoti.fi/3JnEdg6 and on Instagram at https://bit.ly/3u3skWp.
Please leave a rating and review in the places one leaves ratings and reviews. If you want to join Dan and Dara on the podcast and talk about something in the analytics industry you have an opinion about (or just want to suggest a topic for them to chit-chat about), email podcast@measurelab.co.uk or find them on LinkedIn and drop them a message.
Full show notes and transcript over at https://bit.ly/3LXcMKt.
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May 20, 2022 • 30min
#39 Product analytics and CRAP Talks (with Bhavik Patel)
This week Dan and Dara are joined by Bhavik Patel to talk about the differences and similarities between product and marketing analytics, CRAP Talks, and the concept of 'analytical debt'.
Find Bhav on his platform of choice - Twitter at https://bit.ly/3PntANX.
Check out the blog Bhav wrote on "Data Privacy is the Latest Natural Resource in Tech" on the CRAP Medium on https://bit.ly/3sJM41d.
Visit the CRAP Talks website for info on the next event and links to their Slack community (it's nice I promise!) - https://bit.ly/3sMEhjh.
Check out Bhav's artwork Instagram - https://bit.ly/38w43BF.
In other news, Dan gets crafty, Dara watches Netflix and Bhav writes and paints!
Check out on LinkedIn:
- Bhav - https://bit.ly/39xM1yM
- Dan - https://bit.ly/3JQKHEb
- Dara - https://bit.ly/3vzV0bO
- Measurelab - https://bit.ly/3Ka513y
Music from Confidential, check out more of their lofi beats on Spotify at https://spoti.fi/3JnEdg6 and on Instagram at https://bit.ly/3u3skWp.
Please leave a rating and review in the places one leaves ratings and reviews. If you want to join Dan and Dara on the podcast and talk about something in the analytics industry you have an opinion about (or just want to suggest a topic for them to chit-chat about), email podcast@measurelab.co.uk or find them on LinkedIn and drop them a message.
Full show notes and transcript over at https://bit.ly/3lnSTBE.
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May 13, 2022 • 22min
#38 How do you measure the return on analytics?
This week Dan and Dara discuss a listener submitted topic on how to measure the return on analytics. After arguing about the flawed premise of the quest, they explore different ways that analytics specialists and analysts can measure a tangible return for their hard work.
The key ways that were discussed to measure the impact (or return if you will...) of analytics is via:
- Optimising marketing campaign ROAS
- Improving website/app CVR via testing and CRO programs
- Product optimisation to reduce churn or improve engagement and thus LTV
- Time saving via automation and trusting the data
- Impartiality meaning that you can recommend the best course of action, even if it's not the most popular
- Damage control - minimising negative impact when it's inevitable (i.e. COVID-19)
In other news, Dan hosts and Dara parties!
Check out on LinkedIn:
- Dan - https://bit.ly/3JQKHEb
- Dara - https://bit.ly/3vzV0bO
- Measurelab - https://bit.ly/3Ka513y
Music from Confidential, check out more of their lofi beats on Spotify at https://spoti.fi/3JnEdg6 and on Instagram at https://bit.ly/3u3skWp.
Please leave a rating and review in the places one leaves ratings and reviews. If you want to join Dan and Dara on the podcast and talk about something in the analytics industry you have an opinion about (or just want to suggest a topic for them to chit-chat about), email podcast@measurelab.co.uk or find them on LinkedIn and drop them a message.
Full show notes and transcript over at https://bit.ly/.
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May 6, 2022 • 33min
#37 How attribution works in Google Analytics 3 and 4
This week Dan and Dara chat through how attribution works in Universal Analytics and Google Analytics 4, and the differences between them. They discuss the nuances and pain-points they have come up against, and what to look out for whenever using any of the built-in models.
The blog post from Dan they mentioned on how the Universal Analytics Campaign Timeout works is at https://bit.ly/3LRdolG.
Here's a good resource on how to build various attribution models using the GA4 BigQuery export data from Krisjan Oldekamp at Stacktonic - https://bit.ly/3sdfuVa.
In other news, Dan watches snooker and Dara goes full Downton!
Check out on LinkedIn:
- Dan - https://bit.ly/3JQKHEb
- Dara - https://bit.ly/3vzV0bO
- Measurelab - https://bit.ly/3Ka513y
Music from Confidential, check out more of their lofi beats on Spotify at https://spoti.fi/3JnEdg6 and on Instagram at https://bit.ly/3u3skWp.
Please leave a rating and review in the places one leaves ratings and reviews. If you want to join Dan and Dara on the podcast and talk about something in the analytics industry you have an opinion about (or just want to suggest a topic for them to chit-chat about), email podcast@measurelab.co.uk or find them on LinkedIn and drop them a message.
Full show notes and transcript over at https://bit.ly/3vKimuT.
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Apr 29, 2022 • 41min
#36 Events, events, events – explaining the various GA4 event types
This week Dan and Dara chat through all of the event types Google Analytics 4 has to offer - from automatically collected, to enhanced measurement, to customised.
The new EU data and privacy controls recently released in GA4 - https://bit.ly/38CtxwU.
The newest fields in Google Data Studio for the Google Ads connector for shopping campaign (including custom labels) - https://bit.ly/3rXkAVG.
The full blog post from Dan they mentioned that spurred this topic can be found on Dan's website at https://bit.ly/3vOiete.
The event types they discussed are:
- Enhanced Measurement
- Automatically collected
- Recommended
- Custom
- Customised (although Dara's suggestion of 'Dependent events' is way better right?!)
- Audience triggered
In other news, Dan decorates up and Dara goes full Viking!
Check out on LinkedIn:
- Dan - https://bit.ly/3JQKHEb
- Dara - https://bit.ly/3vzV0bO
- Measurelab - https://bit.ly/3Ka513y
Music from Confidential, check out more of their lofi beats on Spotify at https://spoti.fi/3JnEdg6 and on Instagram at https://bit.ly/3u3skWp.
Please leave a rating and review in the places one leaves ratings and reviews. If you want to join Dan and Dara on the podcast and talk about something in the analytics industry you have an opinion about (or just want to suggest a topic for them to chit-chat about), email podcast@measurelab.co.uk or find them on LinkedIn and drop them a message.
Full show notes and transcript over at https://bit.ly/3LrMFvZ.
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Apr 22, 2022 • 26min
#35 Is tracking too much a bad thing?
This week Dan and Dara chat about the troubles of tracking too much in Google Analytics, especially when you come to migrate everything from Universal Analytics to Google Analytics 4.
Not much to mention or link to in this episode - but thanks for reading the show notes (if you are)!
Dan's two questions he asks when it comes to seeing if you need to migrate some data from UA to GA4 are; Is this data needed? And if yes, is this needed in GA? Remember GA (GA4 more so than UA) is a marketing tool, so if it won't help you measure your marketing activity, then it probably doesn't need to be in GA. This is a general rule, there are exceptions of course.
In other news, Dan sweeps up and Dara gets gardening!
Check out on LinkedIn:
- Dan - https://bit.ly/3JQKHEb
- Dara - https://bit.ly/3vzV0bO
- Measurelab - https://bit.ly/3Ka513y
Music from Confidential, check out more of their lofi beats on Spotify at https://spoti.fi/3JnEdg6 and on Instagram at https://bit.ly/3u3skWp.
Please leave a rating and review in the places one leaves ratings and reviews. If you want to join Dan and Dara on the podcast and talk about something in the analytics industry you have an opinion about (or just want to suggest a topic for them to chit-chat about), email podcast@measurelab.co.uk or find them on LinkedIn and drop them a message.
Full show notes and transcript over at https://bit.ly/3KaLShG.
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Apr 15, 2022 • 34min
#34 MeasureFest and brightonSEO – April 2022 debrief (with Liam Grant and Matthew Hooson)
This week Dan and Dara are joined by Liam Grant and Matthew Hooson to chat about their experiences at MeasureFest and brightonSEO. The pick out their favourite talk and the relevance and application in the analytics world wherever possible.
Check out Dan's Marvel-themed Google Analytics 4 presentation slides on "The role of GA in the future MarTech stack" over at https://bit.ly/3JKL3M9.
Dan's pick is from Will Critchlow on "Lessons from hundreds of SEO A/B tests" - https://bit.ly/3vh2vTj.
Matthew's pick is from Michael Van Den Reym on "Automate the technical SEO stuff" - https://bit.ly/3Oc1wwl.
Liam's pick is from Harry Sumner on "Stat packages: the secret recipe to getting SEO implemented" - https://bit.ly/3M7mvPa.
Dara's pick is from Max Hoppy on "How they teach you to be creative at Google" - https://bit.ly/3xrQ9KI.
In other news, Dan games, Dara runs, Liam gets techy and Matthew paints!
Check out on LinkedIn:
- Dan - https://bit.ly/3JQKHEb
- Dara - https://bit.ly/3vzV0bO
- Measurelab - https://bit.ly/3Ka513y
Music from Confidential, check out more of their lofi beats on Spotify at https://spoti.fi/3JnEdg6 and on Instagram at https://bit.ly/3u3skWp.
Please leave a rating and review in the places one leaves ratings and reviews. If you want to join Dan and Dara on the podcast and talk about something in the analytics industry you have an opinion about (or just want to suggest a topic for them to chit-chat about), email podcast@measurelab.co.uk or find them on LinkedIn and drop them a message.
Full show notes and transcript over at https://bit.ly/3KPjiDt.
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Apr 8, 2022 • 31min
#33 What to do as the sun is setting on Universal Analytics
This week Dan and Dara talk more about the announcement from Google on sunsetting Universal Analytics in 2023. They discuss what the timeframes really mean, and what you'd need to be doing at each stage.
The key takeaway is DO NOT PANIC! Just focus on getting GA4 setup up to a good level before 1st July 2022, and we can think about how to get at the UA data after 1st July 2023.
The PIVOT framework to help get GA4 set up - https://bit.ly/38w00Vx. And check out episode #7 for the deep-dive of PIVOT with the author George Mendham.
Details on the Data Studio update to have up to 50,000 rows in tables - https://bit.ly/3NMljCn.
Simo's 4 recommended Custom Dimensions to be able to pull out the hit-level data from UA (from 2015... damn I feel old) - https://bit.ly/3sEwNPI.
They also mention a few tool such as Funnel (https://bit.ly/3uOUy7q), Stitch (https://bit.ly/3u81MED) and Fivetran (https://bit.ly/3x2z5dZ) to help aid in transferring data out of your analytics and marketing tools into a data warehouse or dashboard.
Check out on LinkedIn:
- Dan - https://bit.ly/3JQKHEb
- Dara - https://bit.ly/3vzV0bO
- Measurelab - https://bit.ly/3Ka513y
Music from Confidential, check out more of their lofi beats on Spotify at https://spoti.fi/3JnEdg6 and on Instagram at https://bit.ly/3u3skWp.
Please leave a rating and review in the places one leaves ratings and reviews. If you want to join Dan and Dara on the podcast and talk about something in the analytics industry you have an opinion about (or just want to suggest a topic for them to chit-chat about), email podcast@measurelab.co.uk or find them on LinkedIn and drop them a message.
Full show notes and transcript over at https://bit.ly/3NOL1WR.
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Mar 25, 2022 • 30min
#32 Measuring SEO (with Jenni Stacey)
This week Dan and Dara are joined by Jenni Stacey to chat SEO measurement and how Google Analytics is (if at all) useful. Jenni shares how they work across different search engines, and how things like Core Web Vitals changes things in SEO.
See our post on the announcement from Google on the sunsetting of Universal Analytics in 2023 - https://bit.ly/3uqhvhl.
See more details on Core Web Vitals over at https://bit.ly/3tygzIl.
Jenni mentions a few products in the conversation, they include:
- Semrush - https://bit.ly/3wzSFhz
- Google Search Console - https://bit.ly/357UIy0
- Silktide - https://bit.ly/3qAXIdX
And a quick definition of 'SERP' for the uninitiated - it stands for Search Engine Results Page.
Check out on LinkedIn:
- Dan - https://bit.ly/3JQKHEb
- Dara - https://bit.ly/3vzV0bO
- Jenni - https://bit.ly/3qAWKhP
- Measurelab - https://bit.ly/3Ka513y
Music from Confidential, check out more of their lofi beats on Spotify at https://spoti.fi/3JnEdg6 and on Instagram at https://bit.ly/3u3skWp.
Please leave a rating and review in the places one leaves ratings and reviews. If you want to join Dan and Dara on the podcast and talk about something in the analytics industry you have an opinion about (or just want to suggest a topic for them to chit-chat about), email podcast@measurelab.co.uk or find them on LinkedIn and drop them a message.
Full show notes and transcript over at https://bit.ly/3NmC2M8
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