
The Science of Scaling
Each week, host Mark Roberge (Sr. Lecturer at Harvard Business School, Co-Founder at Stage 2 Capital, Founding CRO at HubSpot) talks with the most successful sales leaders in tech to find out the science behind scaling a company’s revenue and sales.
Latest episodes

Aug 30, 2023 • 37min
How to Move from Founder Selling to Scaling a Sales Team w/ Jonathan Anguelov (Co-Founder, Aircall)
Jonathan Anguelov, co-founder of Aircall, discusses the transition from founder selling to scaling a sales team. Topics include early sales responsibilities, adaptive learning in outreach, selling on value vs product, and the importance of reviewing sales calls as a company.

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Aug 23, 2023 • 37min
The Funnel and Revenue Math w/ Matt Plank (CRO, Rippling)
Matt Plank, CRO at Rippling, joins Mark Roberge to discuss setting sales quotas, demand generation, balance between inbound and outbound, 5x quota on reps' OTE, and the role of SDRs in the sales process.

Aug 16, 2023 • 36min
Why OpenAI Had to Un-do Sales w/ Aliisa Rosenthal (Head of Sales, OpenAI)
Aliisa Rosenthal, Head of Sales at OpenAI, discusses leading sales at OpenAI pre and post-AI world. Topics include launching a groundbreaking product, giving team product knowledge, un-doing sales, building a playbook from the product team, and saying "no" to customers.

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Aug 9, 2023 • 36min
How to Escape the PLG Trap w/ Oliver Jay (Founding CRO, Asana)
Stop looking at playbooks, and start looking at the learnings. Because success is always about context.And with the right planning, PLG startups can set themselves up the PLG trap – where PLG companies with around 5 billion dollar valuation tend to stall, while others break out to 20 billion dollars or more.Host Mark Roberge is joined by Oliver Jay, (Founding CRO, Asana) to discuss the inappropriate cut and paste of PLG practices. In this episode learn more about:
The importance of running experiments on the side (to unleash new growth opportunities before they’re needed)
The power in a joint mindset with the rest of the leadership team
Leverage your influencing skills
The difference between an exceptionally run company vs. average run company
The Science of Scaling is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network in collaboration with HubSpot For Startups // Produced by Matthew Brown.

Aug 2, 2023 • 33min
How to Take Your Sales Playbook Upstream w/ Kevin Egan (Head of Global Enterprise Sales, Atlassian)
Once you hit a certain revenue line, going upstream presents an enormous opportunity for your business.Host Mark Roberge is joined by Kevin Egan (Head of Global Enterprise Sales, Atlassian) to discuss the stories behind the legendary companies he’s helped scale with actionable insight. In this episode learn more about:
The importance of putting the seller in the shoes of the buyer
Difference between a great mid-market salesperson vs. great strategic account executive
Account based marketing for your motion process for enterprise selling
How to know when it’s the right time to go upstream?
Why you probably need a renaissance rep
The Science of Scaling is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network in collaboration with HubSpot For Startups // Produced by Matthew Brown.

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Jul 26, 2023 • 35min
Don’t Lead With The Product, Lead To The Product w/ Doug Adamic (CRO, Brex)
Host Mark Roberge is joined by Doug Adamic (CRO at Brex) to discuss how Doug turned Brex into a strategic sales machine, with the power of his sales process playbook. In this episode learn more about:
3 Critical skills for strategic sellers
How to navigate the discovery and qualification of an account
The secret sauce of sales (that makes you stand out from the crowd)
How to grow early career salespeople into high-performing strategic account exec
The Science of Scaling is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network in collaboration with HubSpot For Startups // Produced by Matthew Brown.

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Jul 19, 2023 • 35min
How to Build a Moat Strategy That Wins w/ Stevie Case (CRO, Vanta)
If you're an entrepreneur that has experienced ankle biters, congrats! You've made it to the next phase. How do you combat it? Stevie shares her story on how she's mitigated ankle biters at Vanta.Host Mark Roberge is joined by Stevie Case (CRO, Vanta) to discuss how she’s tackled ankle biters and evolved Vanta’s sales motion. In this episode learn more about:
How to outsmart your competitors
How to put your brand through a moat test
Leaning into your competitive advantage
Unraveling the “give, get” technique
How Vanta uses the MEDDPICC method
The Science of Scaling is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network in collaboration with HubSpot For Startups // Produced by Matthew Brown.

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Jul 12, 2023 • 35min
How to Create Customer Advocates In Your Go-To-Market w/ Jay LeBoeuf (Head of Sales, Descript)
How did an electrical engineer Lecturer at Stanford become the Head of Business & Corporate Development at Descript? And how is he empowering customers to become champions of product at Descript?Host Mark Roberge is joined by Jay LeBoeuf (Head Of Business & Corporate Development, Descript) to discuss how Jay has led his team to grow strong customer advocates and create new opportunities in the go-to-market ecosystem. In this episode learn more about:
How to develop champions in your go-to-market team
How to get started with talking to your community (and grow a community-led growth strategy)
How to figure out customer happiness without sending an NPS
How to share your learnings from the voice of the customer
Why Descript’s sales team is focused on learning, not selling
The Science of Scaling is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network in collaboration with HubSpot For Startups // Produced by Matthew Brown.

Jul 5, 2023 • 37min
How to Add a Sales Org to Your PLG Company w/ Dino DiMarino (CRO, Snyk)
Layering a sales organization onto your PLG is critical to your success. It’s a totally different motion from sales-led growth. And yes, you need to align your organizations differently to get it right.Host Mark Roberge is joined by Dino DiMartino (CRO, Snyk) to discuss what product-led growth tactics helped Snyk scale to a billion dollar valued company. In this episode learn more about:
When product led growth is applicable to a startup
Best practices for adding sales to a PLG company
How freemium intersects with PLG
How to specialize outbound salespeople
The three acts of acquiring customers
The Science of Scaling is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network in collaboration with HubSpot For Startups // Produced by Matthew Brown.

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Jun 28, 2023 • 36min
How to Align Your Sales and Marketing w/ Mike Weir (CRO, G2)
After a decade spent in marketing, Mike Weir now runs the G2 sales teams. And he has his time spent as a CMO to thank for all his CRO success.Host Mark Roberge is joined by Mike Weir (CRO, G2) to discuss how Mike went from being a marketer to a full-fledged sales leader and what we can all learn from him. In this episode learn more about:
The biggest impact on sales and marketing alignment in the go-to-market motion
The importance of measuring the efficiency of different channels
How to be more specific and de-risk the ideal customer profile
Investing in your team to reach their full potential
How to hire strategic sales leaders
The Science of Scaling is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network in collaboration with HubSpot For Startups // Produced by Matthew Brown.
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