
Better Done Than Perfect
The show for SaaS marketers and product people. We talk with industry experts about email automation, marketing, content, and product strategy.
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Aug 19, 2022 • 40min
Now/Next/Later Roadmapping with Janna Bastow
Janna Bastow, co-founder of ProdPad, discusses the shift from time-based roadmaps to a flexible 'Now/Next/Later' framework. They emphasize the importance of custom labeling, starting simple with roadmaps, and staying connected with customers for product improvement. The podcast also touches on challenges with stakeholder-driven roadmaps and the value of sharing roadmaps for validation.

Jul 18, 2022 • 33min
Finding Product-market Fit with Andrew Reifman
How do you find that elusive product-market fit? In this episode, we talk to Andrew Reifman, co-founder and chief product officer at Makeswift. You'll learn why you need to get your product out there as early as possible, how to follow your gut feel in finding the fit, why you should focus on your core product, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.Makeswift – Andrew's productAlan Pledger – co-founder and CEO of MakeswiftGuillermo Rauch – one of Makeswift's investors, creator of Next.js and CEO of VercelBrand New – UnderConsideration's blogColossalTobias van Schneider – creator of Semplice and MyMindFollow Andrew on TwitterThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. It matches the complexity of your customer data, including many-to-many relationships between users and companies. Book your demo call today at userlist.com.

Jul 1, 2022 • 45min
Survey-based Research Projects with Becky Lawlor
How do you conduct a survey-based research project? In this episode, we talk to Becky Lawlor, founder of Sparkifico. You'll learn about the benefits of doing research content, how to identify the angle for your research, what to include when identifying your audience, tools that you can use for conducting the survey, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.Sparkifico – Becky’s research and content agencyMichele Linn – co-founder and chief strategy officer at Mantis ResearchPollfish, SurveyMonkey – panel companies for consumer audiencesHARO, Help a B2B Writer – popular PR platformsAlchemer, Qualtrics – popular survey toolsQUAID – an online tool that helps evaluate survey questionsQuestionnaire Design — a book by Ian BraceFollow Becky on LinkedInSponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. It matches the complexity of your customer data, including many-to-many relationships between users and companies. Book your demo call today at userlist.com.

Jun 22, 2022 • 38min
Google Analytics with Julian Juenemann
How do we make the most of our data in Google Analytics? It’s free and extremely powerful, but also intimidating. In this episode, we talk to Julian Juenemann, founder of MeasureSchool and a Google Analytics expert. You'll learn how Google Analytics has evolved over the years, the benefits of organizing your data, tips when using Google's entire suite of data tools, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.MeasureSchool — Julian’s membership companyMixpanel, Kissmetrics, Amplitude — popular analytics toolsGA4 — the new version of Google AnalyticsGoogle Tag Manager, Google Data Studio, Google Search Console — adjacent Google data productsMeasure Masters — Julian’s MeasureSchool membership programSubscribe to the MeasureSchool YouTube ChannelFollow Julian on TwitterFollow MeasureSchool on TwitterThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. It matches the complexity of your customer data, including many-to-many relationships between users and companies. Book your demo call today at userlist.com.

Jun 4, 2022 • 52min
Building Two-sided Marketplaces with John Doherty
What are the unique challenges in building two-sided marketplaces? In this episode, we talk to John Doherty, a serial entrepreneur and founder of Credo and EditorNinja. You'll learn why you should first focus on the supplier side, how to reduce friction for all parties, tips for scaling marketplaces, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.Credo — John’s product, a marketplace for agenciesEditorNinja — John’s new companyHow to Edit Content with Kieran TieUserlist Consultants DirectoryThe Cold Start Problem — book by Andy ChenEmail Automation Data & Integrations with Colin NederkoornFollow John on TwitterEmail John at john@getcredo.com or john@editorninja.comThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — an email automation platform for SaaS companies. Onboard, engage, and nurture your customers, as well as marketing leads. To follow the best practices, download our free printable email planning worksheets at userlist.com/worksheets.

May 24, 2022 • 38min
B2B Marketing Attribution with Steffen Hedebrandt
Marketing attribution remains the biggest “black box” for SaaS people. What’s the right way to think about it? In this episode, we talk to Steffen Hedebrandt, co-founder and CMO of Dreamdata. You'll learn about the typical customer journeys in B2B SaaS, which channels are the easiest to measure, tips for running marketing experiments, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.Dreamdata — Steffen’s productTrustpilot — a popular review platformB2B go-to-market benchmarks 2022 — a study by DreamdataHubSpot, Segment — marketplaces to list your productICP — ideal customer profileCapterra, G2 — other popular review sitesFollow Steffen on LinkedInTry Dreamdata for freeThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — the best way for SaaS founders to send onboarding emails, segment your users based on events, and see where your customers get stuck in the product. Start your free trial today at userlist.com.

May 6, 2022 • 43min
SEO for B2B SaaS with Pawel Grabowski
Where shall SaaS companies direct their SEO efforts? In this episode, we talk to Pawel Grabowski, SEO strategist and founder of Smashing Copy. You'll learn why SEO strategy and content strategy are interchangeable in the context of SaaS, how to approach keyword research, practical tips for improving your content, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.Smashing Copy — Pawel’s SEO-focused Content Agency for SaaSLink Building Strategy with Alan SilvestriFollow Ruben Gamez on Twitter for SEO adviceHow We Used April Dunford’s 10-Step Method to Overhaul Positioning at UserlistSEMrush, Google Search Console, AccuRanker — SEO tools Pawel usesTopic clusters — pieces of content arranged around a central themeBook a call with Pawel at Smashing CopyThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — the best tool for sending onboarding emails and segmenting your SaaS users. To follow the best practices, download our free printable email planning worksheets at userlist.com/worksheets.

Apr 22, 2022 • 43min
Link Building Strategy with Alan Silvestri
Does link building have to be haphazard, or can there be a more systemic approach? In this episode we talk to Alan Silvestri, founder of Growth Gorilla and expert in link building. You'll learn how to keep up with your SEO competitors, how to estimate the quantity and types of links you will need, strategies for link building outreach, tools of the trade, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.Growth Gorilla — Alan’s companyAhrefs, Majestic SEO — tools for link analysisHARO, Help a B2B Writer — platforms that connect journalists and bloggers with industry experts (typically rewarded with a backlink)Follow Alan on TwitterThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — the best way for SaaS founders to send onboarding emails, segment your users based on events, and see where your customers get stuck in the product. Start your free trial today at userlist.com.

Apr 8, 2022 • 33min
Conversion Copywriting with Chris Silvestri
How can copy work alongside design to increase SaaS website conversions? In this episode, we talk to Chris Silvestri, copywriter, designer, and founder of Conversion Alchemy. You'll learn the strategies to increase conversions on landing pages and blog posts, the power of heatmaps and usability testing, resources for further CRO learning, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.Conversion Alchemy — Chris’s copywriting and design businessQuinn Zeda — founder of Conversion CrimesClickUp — an example of a cohesive experienceHotjar, Smartlook — tools for measuring user behaviorClickUp, Balsamiq — examples of great blog designBaymard Institute — group that has research on usability studiesCopyhackers — a popular resource for conversion copywritersMECLABS Institute — resource for understanding buying behaviorConversion Alchemy Journal — Chris’s daily newsletterFollow Chris on TwitterThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — the best tool for sending onboarding emails and segmenting your SaaS users. To follow the best practices, download our free printable email planning worksheets at userlist.com/worksheets.

Feb 25, 2022 • 37min
Building in Public with Noah Bragg
What are the marketing benefits of sharing your progress in public? Are there any drawbacks? In this episode, we talk to Noah Bragg, founder of Potion. You'll learn about the benefits of building in public, practical tips for producing video content, strategies for posting on social media, and more.Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings.Potion — Noah’s productNotion — a popular knowledge management toolJustin Jackson of Transistor and Megamaker, Damien Chen of Testimonial, Kenneth Cassel of Vim.so, JR of Flurly — examples of those building in publicNoah’s YouTube ChannelScreenFlow — a video editing toolTwitter Notion Community — (better link for this one??)Notion’s Facebook groupFollow Noah on TwitterThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about the show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — the best tool for sending onboarding emails and segmenting your SaaS users. To follow the best practices, download our free printable email planning worksheets at userlist.com/worksheets.
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