

Knowledge Brokers Podcast
BAM Media
The Knowledge Brokers Podcast, a BAM production, explores a diverse range of topics with industry veterans Byron Lazine, Lisa Chinatti and Tom Toole. Listen every Friday for thought-provoking discussions on latest trends in business and sales to current events, politics, economics, and real estate. Whether you're a seasoned professional or just starting out, the Knowledge Brokers Podcast is your go-to source for staying informed and ahead of the curve.
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Nov 3, 2023 โข 55min
The Impact of Sitzer/Burnett & Surprising News From Fed | Knowledge Brokers Podcast 044
Byron Lazine and Tom Toole discuss the Sitzer/Burnett verdict and its impact on the industry, the most-commented New York Times article, Zillowโs acquisition of Follow Up Boss, this weekโs FOMC meeting, and what agents should be doing to move forward in the class action aftermath.
Join Byron Lazine for a BAMx Mastermind: "Moving Forward After Class Action Lawsuits" on Friday, November 3rd at 3:00 pm ET / 12:00 pm PT. Sign up for BAMx to get the link, and download the free PDF guide: โ11 Point Plan on How To Move Forward in Class Action Aftermathโ โ https://brokeagentmedia.lpages.co/11-point-plan-for-moving-forward/
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Timestamps:
00:00โ00:49 Intro
00:49 The Sitzer/Burnett trial, the FOMC meeting, and NAR CEO Bob Goldberg stepping down
02:30 โFor so many agents across the country, their manager hasnโt broached the subjectโฆโ
04:37 A NY Times article on the verdict is their most commented article of the year
06:54 โThere are going to be things knowledge brokers need to do to survive.โ
07:29 The judge still hasnโt issued his final judgment, which could impact damages, etc.
11:58 โNAR, to me, is a jokeโฆโ
13:09 โRE/MAX and Anywhere look really smart right now.โ / โBigger is going to get bigger.โ
18:55 โHereโs how I think about buyerโs agencyโ (w/ the dating analogy)
22:04 โHow you show up matters.โ
25:40 โPerfect experiences are expected.โ
28:24 Anyone can GTS. What do you do to set yourself apart as a knowledge broker?
30:56 The best week of the year for the Fed (FOMC meeting)
33:19 Josh Rubin Instagram text
39:28 โWe have hit an inflection point in marketsโฆ.โ (Josh Rubinโs post and Byronโs response)
43:20 โThis could be the window for buyers.โ
45:45 Zillowโs acquisition of Follow Up Boss: Question #1 people are asking
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Connect with Byron Lazine:
https://www.instagram.com/byronlazine
Connect with Tom Toole:
https://www.instagram.com/tomtoole3rd/
Connect with Lisa Chinatti:
https://www.instagram.com/lisachinatti/
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Oct 27, 2023 โข 29min
Week 2 of Sitzer/Burnett Trial Explained | Knowledge Brokers Podcast 043
Byron Lazine, Tom Toole, and Lisa Chinatti discuss the Sitzer/Burnett trial, GDP, jobs, and mortgage rates, an impactful message from Alex Hormozi, and how knowledge brokers can help consumers make sense of the housing market despite skewed media coverage.
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Timestamps:
00:00โ00:43 Intro
00:43 Sitzer/Burnett (Week 2)
01:25 Byronโs take on how the trial is going
02:35 The Tom Ferry podcast clip used in the trial
05:45 Defendants file a motion for a mistrial
07:02 More feelings than evidence on the plaintiffsโ side?
08:44 Whatever the jury decides, an appeal is likely.
10:38 A settlement is still possible.
13:16 GDP, jobs, and mortgage rates
16:38 How high could rates go?
21:54 Real RISE and a message from Alex Hormozi
25:11 โYou donโt know whoโs watchingโฆ.โ
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Connect with Byron Lazine:
https://www.instagram.com/byronlazine
Connect with Tom Toole:
https://www.instagram.com/tomtoole3rd/
Connect with Lisa Chinatti:
https://www.instagram.com/lisachinatti/
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BAM delivers real estate news, education, and entertainment with nonstop original content from an unmatchable line-up of industry personalities and top producers.
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Oct 20, 2023 โข 41min
Do 8% Rates Mean Doom For Agents? | Knowledge Brokers Podcast 042
Byron Lazine, Tom Toole, and Lisa Chinatti discuss mortgage rates hitting 8% this week, what โlonger for longerโ means, how agents can โsurvive until โ25,โ takeaways from Week One of the Sitzer/Burnett trial, a deeply flawed study, and why Byron is happy to pay both commissions.
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Timestamps:
00:00โ00:43 Intro
00:43 Mortgage rates hit 8% this week
03:03 10-yr is at its highest since 2007 (4.9%)
04:09 Big takeaways from 8%
07:50 Mortgages at 5% or lowerโfrom 90% to 83%
09:58 โItโs โsurvive until โ25โ right now.โ
14:23 What does โlonger for longerโ mean?
20:31 Tomโs Instagram poll: 40% have never made a business plan
23:08 Day 3 of the Sitzer/Burnett trial: training scripts and presentation slides
24:21 Byronโs takeaways: โI like what Gino (Blefari) saidโฆโ
26:30 Lisaโs takeaways on opening statements and plaintiff testimonies
30:27 Will cooperative compensation survive these lawsuits?
33:15 Flawed study: Redfin traffic reflects consumer activity, not agents steering clients away
38:56 Byronโs experience selling a homeโand why heโs happy to pay both commissions
40:22 Realtor.com chief economist Danielle Hale will be here next week!
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Connect with Byron Lazine:
https://www.instagram.com/byronlazine
Connect with Tom Toole:
https://www.instagram.com/tomtoole3rd/
Connect with Lisa Chinatti:
https://www.instagram.com/lisachinatti/
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BAM delivers real estate news, education, and entertainment with nonstop original content from an unmatchable line-up of industry personalities and top producers.
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Oct 13, 2023 โข 37min
The Coaching Opportunities You Should Be Using With Buyers | Knowledge Brokers Podcast 041
Tom Toole and Lisa Chinatti discuss CPI data and comments from Lawrence Yun and Logan Mohtashami, falling incomes in 17 states, coaching clients in the current market, role-play skills development, the 80/20 rule in real estate, and business planning for 2024.

Oct 6, 2023 โข 46min
The 2024 Business Plan All Agents Need | Knowledge Brokers Podcast 040
Byron Lazine and Tom Toole discuss the terms of the Anywhere settlement, NARโs reversal on zero-percent buyer commissions, a BAM webinar on business planning, how to talk to buyers and sellers about mortgage rates, what to tell renters if buying right now is not in their best interest, and a script to start using right now with homeowners.
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Timestamps:
00:00โ01:14 Intro
01:14 Anywhere settlement terms
03:28 Anywhere will no longer require its brokerages/agents to be NAR members
09:57 NARโs reversal: now allowing zero-percent buyer agent commission on listings
11:15 Thereโs an opportunity for a new RE association to emerge
15:08 BAM is hosting a Business Planning webinar on October 11th at 3 pm ET
17:31 Agents need to spend less time ranting and more time taking action
25:34 Whatโs going on with the 10-year? How are you explaining rates to buyers/sellers?
33:57 Script: โIf you sold your house, could you buy the next one with cash?โ
37:21 Business planning should include skill-building on what to say
40:27 Encourage renters to get an expiration on their lease for this time next year.
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Connect with Byron Lazine: https://www.instagram.com/byronlazine
Connect with Tom Toole: https://www.instagram.com/tomtoole3rd/
Connect with Lisa Chinatti: https://www.instagram.com/lisachinatti/
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BAM delivers real estate news, education, and entertainment with nonstop original content from an unmatchable line-up of industry personalities and top producers.
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Sep 29, 2023 โข 36min
Will Agents Survive As Rates Reach Record Highs? | Knowledge Brokers Podcast 039
Byron Lazine, Lisa Chinatti, and Tom Toole discuss how to navigate mortgage rates at their highest level since 2000, the nationwide drop in pending sales, and the mindset you need to have to insulate your Q1 in 2024.
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Timestamps:
00:00โ00:39 Intro
00:39 Navigating mortgage rates at their highest level since 2000
03:36 The mindset you need to insulate your first quarter of 2024
04:37 Pending sales fell 1.7% year over year in August in all four regions
07:27 Total U.S. housing market gained 49% in value since before the pandemic
09:04 โThese kinds of markets make great agents.โ
10:31 โLearn to get comfortable having uncomfortable conversationsโฆโ
13:49 The basics of business planning for real estate agents
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Connect with Byron Lazine: https://www.instagram.com/byronlazine
Connect with Tom Toole: https://www.instagram.com/tomtoole3rd/
Connect with Lisa Chinatti: https://www.instagram.com/lisachinatti/
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BAM delivers real estate news, education, and entertainment with nonstop original content from an unmatchable line-up of industry personalities and top producers.
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#realestateagent #mortgagerates #realestatemarket

Sep 22, 2023 โข 50min
What The recent Rate Hikes Mean For Home Buyers | Knowledge Brokers Podcast 038
Byron Lazine, Lisa Chinatti, and Tom Toole discuss their predictions on the Fed meeting, higher for longer mortgage rates, and the RE/MAX and Anywhere settlements before treating the BAM Camp audience to some objection handling role-play and a live Q&A.
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Timestamps:
00:00โ01:30 Intro
01:30 Predictions on what the Fed will do (FOMC meeting) and impact on the housing market
05:33 Rising fall-through rate for home purchases
06:51 The theme is higher for longer for interest rates
09:02 RE/Max & Anywhere settlements and the impact on the industry
16:33 Objection handling role-play: Tom as objection handler and Byron and Lisa as sellers
17:43 Buyer agent compensation and leveling the playing field
19:00 Lisaโs first question (as a seller) to Tom: โTell me about your experience.โ
19:49 Byronโs objection: โ...What experience do you have here?โ
20:53 Articulating the advantage of working with you versus the [average agent / FSBO] option
21:51 โWhat are you going to charge in order to do this?โ
22:41 โI donโt know if itโs the right decision for me to give up this rateโฆโ
24:55 โIf we did decide to sell with you, how would you price the property?โ
30:27 Whoever asks the most questions controls the conversation.
31:49 It is an at-bat business (working Fri-Sat-Sun) for the next 12 months.
33:35 Q&A: โWhat do you predict for the interest rate next year?โ
37:24 โDo you think the cuts will be larger than the hikes?โ
39:26 โDo you see fewer agents and more double-sided deals going forward?โ
41:29 โAgents should be thinking like builders right nowโฆโ
43:56 What should knowledge brokers be doing right nowโand the mindset to have
48:55 Just as important as the wins are the losses.
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Connect with Byron Lazine: https://www.instagram.com/byronlazine
Connect with Tom Toole: https://www.instagram.com/tomtoole3rd/
Connect with Lisa Chinatti: https://www.instagram.com/lisachinatti/
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BAM delivers real estate news, education, and entertainment with nonstop original content from an unmatchable line-up of industry personalities and top producers.
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Sep 15, 2023 โข 32min
The Listing Appointment Lesson All Agents Need To Know| Knowledge Brokers Podcast 037
Byron Lazine, Lisa Chinatti, and Tom Toole discuss the latest CPI data, Danielle Hale of Realtor.com coming to KBP, consumer debt becoming unsustainable, speculation on funding for a (likely) NAR settlement, laziness on listing appointments, and next week's BAM Camp.
Join us at BAM Camp on September 20th for an unforgettable all-day event in Naples, Florida! https://brokeagentmedia.lpages.co/bam-camp/
Become a member of BAMx: https://bamx.uscreen.io/pages/subscribe
Use discount code KNOWLEDGEBROKERS for 10% off your annual subscription.
kvCORE and BoomTown are delivering the innovative solutions, and the support you need to power your business and scale your success: https://boomtownroi/knowledgebrokers
FUBCON 2023: Use promo code โbam_vip30โ for 30% off your first ticket. Each additional ticket is 55% off, so buy for your friends who are also looking to scale next year! โ https://www.fubcon.com/
Subscribe to Knowledge Brokers Podcast today: https://www.youtube.com/@knowledgebrokerspodcast?sub_confirmation=1
Join the 5AM Call: https://5amcall.com/
Timestamps:
00:00โ00:44 Intro
00:44 CPI data this weekโhigher than expected
02:34 โI just want the Fed to NOT raise rates.โ
03:59 Danielle Hale (Chief Economist for Realtor.com) coming to KBP next week!
04:42 Consumer debt reaching unsustainable levels
05:35 Lisaโs take on the data: consumer debt vs savings
08:47 Lisaโs takeaways from the conference and viewpoints on the class action lawsuits
15:21 Speculation on NAR funding for the (likely) settlement
18:34 Redfinโs reports on home prices and home purchase cancellations
21:45 Database protection is going to be critical
22:50 โI see so many agents being lazy with their listing appointments.โ
24:18 The listing appointment is more about relationship building than the home tour.
28:45 Live KBP during BAM Camp next week!
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Connect with Byron Lazine: https://www.instagram.com/byronlazine
Connect with Tom Toole: https://www.instagram.com/tomtoole3rd/
Connect with Lisa Chinatti: https://www.instagram.com/lisachinatti/
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BAM delivers real estate news, education, and entertainment with nonstop original content from an unmatchable line-up of industry personalities and top producers.
Subscribe to BAM YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/aatxhaka
Subscribe to BAM Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/nowbam/the-best-newsletter-in-real-estate
Check out BAM: https://nowbam.com/
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#listings #realestateagent #realestatetips

Sep 8, 2023 โข 42min
How Commission Lawsuits Are Impacting Home Sellers | Knowledge Brokers Podcast 036
Byron Lazine, Lisa Chinatti, and Tom Toole discuss the settlement of commission lawsuits, the impact on agent training, disappointment in NAR, challenges faced by agents, and the need for adaptation in the real estate industry.

Sep 1, 2023 โข 40min
Is The U.S. Job Market Finally Starting To Break? | Knowledge Brokers Podcast 035
Discussion on rising unemployment and its potential impact on the next Fed meeting, strategies for agents to increase market share in Q4, using reverse psychology to build trust, strong opinions about NAR and its role in the real estate industry.


