
This Working Life
You spend so much time on work, why accept the status quo, when there are ways to do it better? Get expert advice, research and hacks that will crush your inertia.
Join Lisa Leong and other This Working Lifers as we experiment and explore the latest in the world of work.
We cover policy issues, like hybrid workplaces and remote work, employee wellbeing and organisational culture, the use of AI, employee surveillance, employee engagement, diversity and inclusion. We talk about progress on wider issues that relate to work, like work life balance, organisational change, restructures, and casualisation. On This Working Life our focus is on everything related to the people in a workplace too, including culture, individual experiences, performance management and career advice.
Latest episodes

Dec 13, 2024 • 25min
Managing friendship at work
Shelley Rogers, an organisational psychologist and founder of the From Mates to Manager program, explores the intricate balance of friendships at work. She shares insights on how workplace relationships can enhance job satisfaction and drive career success. The discussion delves into the challenges of moving from friend to manager and vice versa, emphasizing proactive communication to manage conflicts. Personal anecdotes reveal the sustainability of work friendships and the importance of maintaining professional boundaries while fostering connections.

Dec 6, 2024 • 25min
Saving your leave for a rainy day? Here’s why that might be a problem.
Madeleine Dow, a management consultant, is joined by Dr. Libby Sander, a workplace behaviour expert, and Sarah McCann-Bartlett, CEO of the Australian Human Resources Institute. They highlight the alarming trend of employees hoarding about 160 million days of unused leave in Australia. The discussion dives into cultural differences in leave-taking, the importance of breaks for mental health, and how post-COVID landscapes are shifting employee demands for flexibility. All stress that supportive workplace cultures are essential for encouraging time off.

Nov 29, 2024 • 25min
The simple things you take for granted at work
James O’Brien, ABC audio planning manager and survivor of a life-threatening illness and leg amputation, reveals his journey of returning to work. He discusses the daily challenges of workplace accessibility, from heavy doors to lack of screen reader access. The conversation emphasizes the necessity of simple adjustments and support systems for individuals with disabilities to thrive. With insights from Teresa, a support worker, and Tom Bevan from the Australian Disability Network, they highlight the importance of fostering inclusive environments that benefit everyone.

Nov 22, 2024 • 25min
How to build a global career, and still come home
Margot Andersen, founder of InSync Network Group, and Jacinta Reddan, chief executive of Advance Cairns, dive into the challenges faced by returning expatriates. They discuss the emotional toll of leaving international careers behind and the struggle to find acceptance in the local job market. Key topics include the importance of networking, localizing resumes, and effective strategies to communicate global experiences to attract Australian employers. Their insights provide valuable guidance for those navigating the tricky waters of career transitions back home.

Nov 15, 2024 • 25min
Has work taken over your life? Here’s what to do about it.
Malissa Clark, an Associate Professor of industrial-organizational psychology and author of "Never Not Working", discusses the impact of workaholism on individuals and organizations. She reveals how many equate long hours with success, while neglecting mental health. From personal stories of recovery to practical strategies like underscheduling, the conversation emphasizes the importance of setting boundaries and prioritizing relationships. Highlights also include recognizing the compulsive nature of workaholism and effective methods for achieving a healthier work-life balance.

Nov 8, 2024 • 25min
Hybrid work is here to stay – but have managers caught up?
Brad Bell, a strategic human resources professor, alongside Jen Overbeck, a management expert specializing in remote collaboration, and consultants Peter Buckingham and Demelza Green, delve into the dynamics of hybrid work. They discuss the need for adaptable leadership styles and effective communication strategies to enhance team connections. The importance of cultivating a strong team culture despite physical distances is emphasized. They also explore the balance between productivity and flexibility, highlighting the significance of technology in fostering collaboration and maintaining employee engagement.

Nov 1, 2024 • 26min
Why the push to get bums on seats in the office?
Join Stephen Davis, a work trends expert, John Hopkins, a flexible work specialist, and Richard Wynn, CEO support authority, as they dissect the controversial push for in-office work. They reveal preferences for hybrid arrangements and discuss surprising effects on diversity and productivity. The conversation highlights research on employees' desire for flexibility and the challenges companies face in adapting to new work dynamics. The episode tackles corporate mandates’ impact on talent retention, giving keen insights into the future of work.

Oct 25, 2024 • 25min
Live at SXSW – 2050: A Work Odyssey
In this engaging live discussion, Ryan Patel, a futurist renowned for advising on innovation, Greta Bradman, a psychologist and values coach, and Simon Kustenmacher, a social demographer, dive into the future of work by 2050. They tackle the impact of demographic shifts, especially the growing demand for aged care workers, and the evolving acceptance of hybrid work post-pandemic. The panel also debates the balance between technology and humanity, emphasizing the importance of empathy in management while exploring how AI can address workforce shortages and enhance inclusivity.

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Oct 20, 2024 • 25min
Adam Grant on how to unleash your hidden potential
Adam Grant, an organisational psychologist and Wharton professor, explores how to unlock our hidden potential. He discusses the importance of shifting from ambition to character-driven goals, especially during tough times. Grant emphasizes embracing discomfort for growth, particularly in public speaking. He shares personal anecdotes about resilience after self-doubt and the transformative power of mentorship. The conversation also introduces 'deliberate play' as a way to spark creativity and passion in our careers.

Oct 13, 2024 • 25min
The power of saying No at work
Saying "yes" too often can leave you feeling overwhelmed and perhaps a bit resentful. You might hear yourself saying "yes of course I can" when your inner voice is screaming "no!"So here's how you can say "no" more often at work, without feeling rude.GuestsNatalie Lue — Author, The Joy of Saying NoBenjamin Law — Writer and broadcasterHema Kangeson — Founder, The Leaders CircleBruce Tulgan — Author, The Art of Being Indispensable at WorkAlisha Taylor-Jones — Diversity and inclusion professionalThis story was first broadcast on 3rd February 2023
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