The Copywriter Club Podcast

On the 294th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Nicole Morton joins the show to talk about her experience in product development and how it’s helped her build her copywriting career. From creating products to qualifying them in the current market to writing copy for them, Nicole laid out the whole process. Here’s how the conversation went: How Dollies helped Nicole get her start in the product development industry. From idea to store shelf – How to qualify a product to get into the market. How product development can translate to building a copywriting business. The current trends in the copywriting and marketing industry. How to look for trends in your industry. Creating ideas for a product – How do we actually start coming up with ideas? The practical application for brainstorming names for your products. How to uplevel and refine your current skills as you build new ones. Identifying which of your skills are transferable and how you can leverage your background. Client acquisition – How to create a referral system. How to package “ideas” and “strategy” for clients. When it’s a good idea to go back to working a full-time job – Is it a setback? How to reframe “failure” and turn it into a positive. The benefits of going back into the workforce and how it can help you become a better writer and business owner. How to balance working a full-time job, a business, and personal life. Gamification – Can we add it into our business and personal life? What Disney does well and how we can add it to our businesses. Why we shouldn’t underestimate the skills that comes naturally to us. Tune into the episode by hitting the play button or check out the transcript below. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Think Tank Copywriting Income Survey Kira’s website Rob’s website Nicole's website  The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Free month of Brain.FM Episode 124 Episode 201   Full Transcript: Rob Marsh:  I'm pretty sure it was Eugene Schwartz, who first suggested that copy isn't written, it's assembled. And a lot of copywriters have jumped on that statement, believing that the work that we do really isn't all that creative. It's like playing with an erector set or a LEGO kit. You're just putting together a bunch of preexisting pieces to get the end product that will resonate with your customers. But that's just not true. Yeah, we need to draw on research and connect with the conversation already going on in our customer's heads, but creativity plays a really big part in creating the magic that makes that connection happen. Our guest for today's episode for The Copywriter Club Podcast is Copywriter Think Tank alumni member and master of ideas, Nicole Morton. And what she shares about brainstorming, product development, having better ideas will help any copywriter improve the work they do. Kira Hug:  A quick announcement. This episode is sponsored by The Copywriter Think Tank that- Rob Marsh:  Surprise. Kira Hug:  So surprising. That is our mastermind-slash-coaching program, where you could have access not only to the two of us, but also to our team of coaches so that you have all the support you need as you build your business and create new revenue streams, create new products, create new offers with our mindset coach, our systems and growth coach, me and Rob. We don't really have a name as far as the coaching that we do. But what would you say that the two of us specialize in? Rob Marsh:  Well, I think we are really good at helping people see the potential in their business and coming up with new ideas of how to grow in new ways. So whether it's building your authority and getting yourself in front of different, better ideal clients, or whether it's adding some new product or service to your business. We're just really good at helping people identify the par...

On the 293rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Marcella Allison comes back on the show. When she first joined the show, she was in the midst of building The Mentoress Collective, and now after 7 years, it’s time for her to pack it up and leave behind a legacy. In this episode, she talks about her decision to move on and the chance you have to get your hands on what she’s built for a steal. Here’s how the conversation breaks down: What was The Mentoress Collective all about? The difficult decision that entrepreneurs are faced with when growing their brands and businesses. What’s changed in the marketing space since the beginning of The Mentoress Collective? Step by step tips to find a mentor – The do’s and don’ts. Is it possible to have too many mentors? The real difference between a copy chief and a business mentor – Which do YOU need? How the most successful copywriters use these two things to create high-converting copy, and how you can use them too. The attitude you need to take on when editing your copy. The three types of entrepreneurs – Which one are you? How are we supposed to balance learning, success, failure, and accomplishment all at the same time? Are you ready for an agency? The difficulties that come with being a solopreneur and entrepreneur – Are they the same? How to embody someone that would demand the rates you want to ask for. Practical advice on supporting yourself during an extreme transition or pivot in your business and life. Why it’s important to allow a time period of business grief and choosing possibility. How you can change the vehicle in which you give rather than give up what you love. Be sure to tune into this episode all about change and rediscovering passions. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Think Tank Copywriting Income Survey Kira’s website Rob’s website Marcella - Bundle 1 Copy breakdowns Marcella's Legacy of Success - Bundle 2  The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Free month of Brain.FM Episode 48 with Marcella    Full Transcript: Rob Marsh:  We talk about success a lot on the podcast. We've interviewed lots of copywriters who have built thriving, six-figure businesses. We've even talked to a few people who have made more than seven and eight figures in their business. They've shared the habits and processes, and even the luck that they've had along the way, but we don't talk a lot about failure or quitting. So today's podcast is a little different. Our guest for this episode is our friend A-list copywriter, Marcella Allison. In addition to writing dozens of successful promotions in the financial industry over the past few years, Marcella has spent much of the last seven years building a community to help mentor and support women in marketing. Originally, it was called Titanides, and now it's called the Mentoress Collective, but recently Marcella made the decision to close the doors on that venture, and this episode focuses on that decision. We also talked about mentoring, pay gaps, and what comes next. There's a lot to learn from Marcella's story and her decision, and we hope that you'll stay to the end when Marcella makes an offer that we think is almost too good to be true. Kira Hug:  But it is true. It's too good to be true, but it is true. And this is actually the last day before the price increases for the Think Tank, our mastermind. If you listen to the podcast, you've heard us talk a lot about the mastermind over the last few months. If you have any interest in it, today would be the best day to reach out to our team and find out if it's a good fit for your business so that you can jump in there before our retreat, before our virtual retreat on June 9th and 10th, and before the price increases. You can find out more at the copywriterthinktank.com Rob Marsh:  And just a note about this episode,

Jocelyn Brady is our guest for the 292nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Jocelyn is a brain and story coach who helps her clients create more out of their lives. She is a former copywriter whose fascination with neuroscience led her down a new path. Here’s how the conversation goes: Pig brains – How the heck did they encourage Jocelyn to go down a path of neuroscience? How tragic events can change the direction of our lives and careers. How Jocelyn built her copywriting business and agency by accident and worked with big time clients like Nokia, SunTrust, and Prudential. How persistence is key to building a successful business and why you should think of your business as an experiment. Making a more interesting ‘about’ page and how to get people curious. Is everyone a natural storyteller? Jocelyn’s S.T.O.R.Y framework and how you can apply it to your own stories. Where do most copywriters mess up when telling stories? The key to driving the sale versus justifying a purchase. What are B.S., and how can we Making big pivots in business – How can we effectively make it happen? When it may be a good idea to pivot your business. The #1 struggle in pivoting. Books and resources Jocelyn recommends to start your own brain journey. How to incorporate more play into our lives, and why it’s so important for our livelihoods. Deathbed you – What does that mean and why is it important to Jocelyn’s messaging? How Jocelyn attracts people into her programs – Going from tangible deliverables to intangible results. Take an introspective look at your brain and check out this episode. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Think Tank Copywriting Income Survey Kira’s website Rob’s website Jocelyn's website Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg Words Can Change Your Brain by Andrew Newberg The Brain That Changes Itself by Norman Doidge Huberman Lab Podcast  Play By Stuart Brown  The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Free month of Brain.FM   Full Transcript: Rob Marsh:  It doesn't matter if you write copy or content or whether you work on marketing strategy or sales. Pretty much whatever we do as writers depends on understanding human behavior and the way people think. The more we know, the better we can communicate. And our guest for today's episode of The Copywriter Club podcast is a former copywriter and current brain coach Jocelyn Brady. She stopped by to help us understand how the brain works, what it takes to create curiosity to tell stories, and how you can keep your reader engaged long enough to deliver your message. Everyone who communicates as part of the work that they do will benefit from listening to what Jocelyn has to share in this episode. Kira Hug:  A quick PSA, The Copywriter Think Tank price tag will increase this June. So if you have any interest in joining us inside this mastermind, don't wait; apply today. We are so excited to introduce some of our newest members in the Think Tank to the entire crew this June during our two-day virtual retreat on June 9th and 10th. It's coming up fast, so again, if you've had any interest in the Think Tank, now is the time to apply. Head over to copywriterthinktank.com to learn more. Rob Marsh:  All right. Let's get to our interview with Jocelyn. Jocelyn Brady:  This is a long circuitous journey, I think. But I'll say that the first time I was really that my brain went, "Wow, what brains can do," was... Well, the first time I held a brain was in grade school when we were dissecting a fetal pig, and I really needed to see its brain. That was not part of the assignment. We were just looking at its organs. And I was like, "But that's crazy. We're not seeing the part that powers all the parts." So I was the sole student there with my hacksaw, just determined to see this thing's brain. That stuck with me. And then later,

Lander Sulser is our guest for the 291st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Lander is a marketing strategist and launch copywriter who helps her clients optimize their offer using her signature framework. Whether you’re trying to help your own clients with their offers or you’re creating your own, be sure to tune into the episode. Check out the conversation: Not knowing how the hell you get to your dreams, but you know you have them. The benefits of using mastermind to leverage your skills and business. How you could get the “in” with big names in the industry by knowing one person. The other benefits and value you can provide as a copywriter other than just the writing component. The process of creating the name for your offer. How to create an irresistible offer in 4 simple steps. What has changed in creating offers since the pandemic? How to hone in on your BIG promise, so your message isn’t diluted. The guarantee – How should we approach it? What we shouldn’t be doing when launching our products. How to create exclusivity around your VIP offer. The better way to craft your USP to stand out from the crowd. Creating purpose for every copy element you’re providing for your client. DFY vs DWY copy services – what’s best for YOUR business? Boundaries you should be setting as a consultant or mentor. You aren’t (always) the ideal client… create the separation. The secret to the end of research and learning during copy projects. Being nicer to ourselves – How do we rewrite the stories we’re telling? Implementing systems and processes will do w h a t for your business?! Why white space in your calendar will create a better business. How to build authority as a highly-sensitive person. This is a not-to-miss episode. Be sure to press play or check out the transcript below. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Think Tank Copywriting Income Survey Kira’s website Rob’s website Lander's workshop  The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Sign up for Typeform Episode 205 Episode 266   Full Transcript: Rob Marsh:  You've probably heard the marketing equation 40/40/20. More than one of our guests on past episodes has mentioned it. 40/40/20 represents which parts of promotion are responsible for the sales. 40% comes from your list or your audience, making sure that you're talking to the right people. Another 40% comes from the quality and value of your offer. And the final 20% comes from your copy, the message that you use to sell the offer to the right audience. And if you're talking to the right people with a great offer, you'll almost certainly succeed, even if the copy isn't that great. Conversely, if your offer is bad, even the best copy won't do much to salvage the promotion. All of that is a long way to introduce our guests for this episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Copywriter and marketing strategist and Think Tank member Lander Sulser. Lander's specialty is helping her clients dial in an irresistible offer that customers can't say no to. It's a superpower that every copywriter needs to have. So you'll definitely want to stick around for this episode. Kira Hug:  Before diving into the interview with Lander, this sponsor for this week's episode is the copywriter Think Tank. Rob Marsh:  Surprise. Kira Hug:  Shockingly, it's the Copywriter Think Tank. It's a part mastermind and part coaching program, and it's designed to help copywriters dive deeper into their businesses and explore new ideas that maybe they didn't even think were possible. With our two new coaches, Linda Perry and Jonnie Stellar, you'll get personalized focus on systems and mindset. In addition to strategic coaching and support from the two of us. If you're looking to create a new offer or program, scale your income, launch a book, or maybe even a podcast, the Think Tank could be your next step to making i...

In this special edition of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re joined by our three coaches inside our Think Tank Mastermind Program. Tamara Glick, Linda Perry, and Jonnie Stellar share their own experiences inside the Think Tank, and how they now support members inside the program through their expertise in mindset, systems, and community. Here’s the breakdown of the episode: How each coach grew their business with the support of The Copywriter Think Tank Mastermind. Gaining insight on what you don’t know through camaraderie. The permission being inside a mastermind can bring you. The specific stories copywriters tell themselves that’s holding them back from business growth and expansion. How not having these specific systems and processes in place are holding copywriters back. Delegation and burnout – how copywriters are self-sabotaging their success. The hand-off anxiety that can come with hiring a team and how to avoid it. How to avoid analysis-paralysis and information overload, so you can set up your business for optimal growth. The network of support you gain by joining a mastermind group (The Think Tank) ; ) What’s the difference between being a visible copywriter and one who hides behind their words? Gaining visibility in business and overcoming the fear of standing out. How even the most introverted copywriter can gain visibility in their niche and become an authority. Why courage has to come before confidence. Who would win at beer pong… Kira or Rob? The benefits of going to in-person retreats. Check out the episode or read the transcript below. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Think Tank Copywriting Income Survey Kira’s website Rob’s website Linda's website  Jonnie's website  The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Sign up for Typeform   Full Transcript: Kira Hug:  Okay. So, we are going to kick this off with our special guests, all of you, and I want you to just introduce yourself by sharing of course, who you are, but your role in the Think Tank. What you're doing in the Think Tank to help the members and maybe share a credential or two. Just brag a little bit about why you're so incredible at what you do. So, let's kick that off with Linda. Linda Perry:  All right. Thank you for having me on. I am Linda Perry. I call myself a success strategist these days, and really what that means is that I combine the tools of mindset and some business strategy to help people bust through some of their blocks and take their business to the next level. I joined the Think Tank really to be that mindset coach to help people really bust through some of the stories they tell themselves so that they can actually achieve bigger goals and do the things that they set out to do. And so far it's been a pretty new role, but it has been a blast. And one of the things that I think makes me really good at what I do is I've worked with hundreds of business owners in different areas, but I have an ability to really see where those blocks are quickly and allow people to really implement the tools they need to move past them. I like to think of what I do as sort of this active learning lab, and part of what I love about being in Think Tank is that it is an active learning lab. They get to see in real-time how their blocks are standing in their way and really work toward taking steps. This isn't like therapy. This is really about taking actual steps that allow you to grow and become that person that you've always imagined in your head and achieve that kind of success you want. Rob Marsh:  And I should add, Linda, because you didn't say it, but you have worked as a copywriter. You've built a six-figure copywriting business in the past. You've been through all of the copywriting trainings. And so not only have you built a business like so many of the other people in the Think T...

Hollie Tkac joined The Copywriter Club Podcast for episode 289. Hollie is a copywriter for coaches in the online space who has built her multiple six-figure business on DFY copy. She shares her experience in creating sustainable income without the 50+ hour work weeks and how other copywriters can build a business that works for them. Here’s how the conversation breaks down: The importance of building your network and how it can translate into 50% of your income. How Hollie transitioned from coaching into copywriting for coaches. The benefits of hiring a coach and how to find the right one for you and your business. Transferring skill sets from coaching to copywriting. Steps to developing self trust and stepping into your sense of worthiness. Having 6 coaches at once and determining which coaches could help you get to where you want to go. How to get the most out of your coaching programs, so you see a return on your investment. Hitting six-figures in the first year of business – How did it happen? Should you add retainer clients to your business model? How to hire junior copywriters and how to effectively work with them. The wrong way to charge for your copywriting services. Creating a strong client relationship and building trust can lead to this. Where do most coaches struggle and how copywriters can help them. When are business owners ready for a copywriter? Systems and processes to use when working with a team and keeping things organized. Client work vs working on your own business – Where’s the balance? Creating financial projections and how to plan for the future of your business. If you’ve been thinking about adding retainers to your business or hiring a team to help scale your business, be sure to tune into this episode. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Think Tank Copywriting Income Survey Kira’s website Rob’s website Hollie's website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Sign up for Typeform Episode 253   Full Transcript: Kira Hug:  If you've ever questioned whether or not you could make six figures as a copywriter without creating and selling products, courses, or group programs on the side, this episode is for you. In this conversation, we'll speak with copywriter, Hollie Tkac, about how she niched down and grew her Done For You copywriting business with just that; copywriting. We talked about Hollie's approach to retainers, hiring, and working with junior copywriters, and a few best practices for running a successful copywriting business. Rob Marsh:  Before we jump into our interview with Hollie, this podcast is sponsored by the Copywriter Think Tank. That's our mastermind for copywriters and other marketers who want to think outside the box, build new offers, and add revenue streams to their business. We've recently added a mindset coach and assistant coach to help members of the Think Tank make more progress than ever before, and it's not cheap, but given the results that Think Tank members experience after they join the program, it is absolutely worth it. If you are earning three, four, five thousand dollars or more consistently in your business, go to copywriterthinktank.com to learn more. Kira Hug:  Okay. Let's hear from Hollie about how she got her start as a copywriter. Hi, Hollie. Well, let's kick off with your story. How did you end up as a copywriter for Coaches? Hollie Tkac:  Yeah. Really, it all came down to networking actually, and I still think to this day that's one of the main ways I've built my business. What happened was originally I wanted to be a coach myself, and this is in like 2015, so I joined a bunch of programs and things like that and just took that leap to invest in my business. From that, I ended up making connections and people were liking what I was putting out for my own coaching business I wanted to start at the t...

Allison Carpio is our guest for the 288th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Allison is a copywriter, analytics specialist, and food aficionado who breaks down what it means to overcome the headtrash that is holding us back from creating and doing what we truly want. In this episode, you’ll find out the importance of staying in alignment with your values, plus… Starting a freelance career while working a full time job. The mindset blocks and headtrash that stands in the way of pricing. The benefits of being in paid communities and high level masterminds. How to leverage your network and build your authority. Different support systems for your business – which ones do you need? The 3 steps to identify what is holding you back and how to overcome it. Building a “team” of supporters to work through perfectionism and fear of instability. Accelerating success and making business more fun and energetic. How Allison shifted the way she talks to her own audience and why that shift happened. Shifting your beliefs while shifting your business – How’s it done? How to build your email list with warm leads. Where to look for your collaboration opportunities. Crafting your welcome sequence like a private 1:1 dinner. Shaping your VIP day – How can you get more done in one day? The new challenges that entrepreneurs face as their business grows. Hit that play button below, you're not going to want to miss it. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Think Tank Copywriting Income Survey Kira’s website Rob’s website Allison's website  The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Sign up for Typeform Episode 234 Episode 258   Full Transcript:

Keina Newell is our guest on the 287th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Keina is a financial coach who helps professionals and solopreneurs with their money. With over $75,000 in student loan debt on a teacher’s salary, Keina knew she had to make a big change if she was ever going to achieve financial freedom. Whether you want to pay off debt, save and invest money, or a bit of all three, this episode will give you practical tips on doing just that. Here’s how the conversation goes: A career that is passion aligned but also helps you accomplish financial goals… real or myth? What is the purpose of money in our lives? How to backwards plan where you want to be financially. The steps to getting granular with your financial goals. Why you should pay yourself as an employee. 3 types of budgets and how to break them down. When to start building a financial system. An emergency fund for business vs personal. Taking a leap vs safety first: which are you? How to plan for expenses that come with being self employed. Where should we be investing when we DO have money to invest? How to create a money hell YES and a hell NO list. Why this one thing will impact your investment style. What about debt? Where does it fit into our financial plan? How to reframe your mindset around debt and change the money stories we grew up with. What it really means to charge less for your skills and how it will affect your future. 3 questions to ask yourself when deciding whether to cut down vs earn more. How to decide where your financial gap is. What to think about before hiring contractors. Why you need to start dating your money. Budgets – what’s that all about anyways? How to actually reach your financial goals. Financial tips for beginners – what are the first steps? How to start up money conversations with business partners. This episode is full of actionable steps to further our financial journeys, be sure to hit play or check out the transcript below. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Think Tank Copywriting Income Survey Kira’s website Rob’s website Keina's website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Sign up for Typeform Episode 110 Full Transcript: Kira: All right. Keina, let's kick this off with your story. How did you end up as a financial coach? Keina: I, I think my, my go-to answer is that God has a sense of humor, uh, which has been the theme my entire life, but I ultimately got into financial coaching because I was really looking at what did I enjoy doing? And one of the things that I really enjoyed was budgeting, and in my own personal story, um, I graduated college and with a lot of student loan debt. And in addition to having student loan debt, I actually joined Teach for America, which anyone who knows anything about teachers teaching is not like the highest-paid position in the world. And at that time, I was making probably like $30,000 a year and trying to figure out how could I actually do something that felt very passion-aligned but also be able to work towards buying a home, saving money and paying down student loan debt. So it was like through my own personal journey of budgeting and figuring out how to buy a house, how to make more money. And that progress over, over a decade, got me into the financial coaching space. Rob:  So as you've been coaching Keina and working with people on their own finances, where do you see the biggest opportunities or the starting point where we need to be thinking more about our finances? Keina:  I would say really knowing the purpose of money in your life. I always encourage people to think about when you're 80 years old, like, what do you wanna have achieved? And I think sometimes people think it's like a silly question, but I don't think that we actually kind of press pause to think about why are we doin...

Carline Anglade-Cole is our guest on the 286th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. While Carline has joined the show before, in this episode she gives us the inside scoop of creating a Youtube channel, writing her second book, and lessons we can all use in our lives and business. Check it out: Why Carline decided to channel her content on Youtube. What it takes to get started on Youtube + how to use copy skills to grow your channel. How a thumbnail is like a lead. Why Carline is giving away free content vs paid content. Carline’s Youtube strategy for maximum views. How copywriting has radically changed her life and surprises along the way. The process of shifting gears and getting out of your own way. The difference between selling physical products vs digital products. Why it’s a good idea to rechannel yourself to find things that excite you. Carline’s inspiration for writing a second book about lessons, mindset, and advice. How this ONE tip could change the way you view your copy. The importance of finding a support system that encourages you – but what if it’s not your family? The #1 mistake Carline sees copywriters making and how to fix it. Kira and Rob’s favorite chapters of Carline’s book: Your Copy Sucks, You Don’t. How Carline organized all her ideas to create her second book. If you’re thinking of broadening your reach by writing a book or starting a Youtube channel, be sure to tune into the episode. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Think Tank Kira’s website Rob’s website Carline's website  Carline's book The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Our first episode with Carline Episode 65 Full Transcript: Rob Marsh:  Back when I worked a real job and I'm putting air quotes around “real”, I used to dread Mondays. In fact, when Sunday afternoon would come along, I'd start getting that feeling of dread in my gut and just really wasn't looking forward to work. And I think that's a pretty common thing among people who work regular nine to five jobs. Maybe you felt it yourself in fact. But since switching to copywriting and starting my own business, I can't recall ever feeling that Sunday dread. And I think that goes away when you truly love what you do. That's something that we share with our guest for today's podcast, Carline Anglade-Cole, and as you listen to what she shares, you'd probably agree that Carline is very obvious that she loves what she does. She's excited about writing, about teaching and about sharing the lessons that she's learned over her career as a copywriter. I get excited every time I talk to Carline. And I think that you're going to want to stick around to hear all the great advice that she shares in this episode. Kira Hug:  Before diving into the interview with Carline, the sponsor for this week's episode is the Copywriter Think Tank, which is our mastermind and coaching program that helps copywriters dive deeper and really explore ideas they didn't think were possible, and act on them. And we're really excited to introduce new coaches inside this mastermind experience. We've welcomed a mindset coach and a systems coach into the program so not only do you have our support and our feedback, but these other brilliant coaches in there as well. Linda Perry is the mindset coach and Jonnie Stellar is a systems coach. And what I'm really excited about right now in the Think Tank is that we are planning our upcoming retreat in Washington, DC, this June. And there's nothing better than getting this mastermind together in person. We were just together in Nashville, Tennessee for TCCIRL for our retreat there. And I'm excited to host a party at my house in DC for the Think Tank members. So we're looking forward to that. And if you have any interest in being part of a mastermind, like the Think Tank, you can head over to copyrighterthinktank.

Tyler J. McCall guests on the 275th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Tyler is an Instagram Marketing Strategist and Coach for entrepreneurs who want to build and grow their business online. With social media being at the forefront of so many businesses, Tyler shares his experience dealing with burnout and how entrepreneurs can use social media more intentionally. Take a peek at our conversation: Why Tyler founded onlinebusinessowner.com. How his nonprofit careers kickstarted his entrepreneurial endeavors and how he became the go-to Instagram marketing expert. Should you leave the community you’ve become accustomed to? How to find the right coach and community for you, your business, and your values. The process of healing from a previous business and starting another. Why it’s a good idea to unlearn old beliefs before jumping into something new. How to deal with harassment online – actions and steps to take. Repairing your reputation online – is it possible? The double edged sword of social media. How do you know if you’re burned out + how to fix it. The future of social media and how to not lose yourself in it. The potential of podcasting and the forgotten blog… is it still a thing? A guide to unplugging from social media. The reality of starting a media company and how to monetize when your offer is free. The process of building your writer’s muscle. How to regain trust in yourself and your gut feeling. Building a small but mighty team for business growth. If you want to use social media with intention and avoid burnout, tune into the episode. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Think Tank Kira’s website Rob’s website Tyler's website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Episode 177 Episode 191 Full Transcript: Rob Marsh:  Social media. We've had a lot of people on the show to talk about their approach to Facebook and Instagram, Twitter, Pinterest, LinkedIn. It's almost as if you can't build a copywriting business these days without spending serious time on social media. And while that may not be strictly true, you can, but it's becoming less and less common. Our guest for today's podcast is Tyler J. McCall. Tyler's gone through a bit of a transition when it comes to using social media for his business over the last few months. It used to be the main focus and now it's not. And if you struggle with social media as a business building tool, or you're interested in using it in a more sustainable way, you'll want to stick around for this interview. Tyler also shared how he's reinvented his entire business over the last year, how to deal with trolls and people that are harassing you online and overcoming burnout. Like we said, you're not going to want to miss this one. Kira Hug:  Before we dive into our interview with Tyler, the sponsor for this week's episode is the Copywriter Think Tank. It's our mastermind coaching program that helps copywriters dive deeper and explore ideas they didn't think were possible and act on them. We're introducing two new coaches inside the Think Tank who focus on systems and mindset, so members have the opportunity to ask for support from multiple coaches. If you are looking to create a new offer or program, product, scale your income, maybe launch a book, maybe launch a podcast, the Think Tank could be your next step to making it happen. If you want more information, head over to copywriterthinktank.com to learn more. All right, let's get into the interview and learn how Tyler ended up as the founder of onlinebusinessowner.com. Tyler J. McCall:  I'll give you the shortest version possible. I left my nonprofit career back in 2015 to start my own online business after having a bunch of side hustles before that. And the first business I started was a marketing agency with a really close friend. And that's where I really started learning abou...