
The Recipe with Kenji and Deb
Hi, we’re Deb Perelman (Smitten Kitchen) and J. Kenji López-Alt (Serious Eats, The Food Lab, The Wok). We’re professional home cooks, which means we can - and will - make the same meal 57 times in a row on the quest for the perfect recipe. Is it crazy? For us, no, because we do this for a living. But for you? Yes, probably. Which is why you should listen to The Recipe with Kenji and Deb. You'll hear us talk about what goes into writing our recipes — the techniques we test, the ingredients we taste — so that you can be on your way to creating your own perfect recipe. Whether you're cooking meatloaf, pancakes, or chicken soup in all its forms, we got you, and you've got this.The Recipe with Kenji and Deb is a proud member of Radiotopia from PRX, a network of independent and listener-supported podcasts. Discover audio with vision at radiotopia.fm.
Latest episodes

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Jun 9, 2025 • 40min
Burgers
Deb and Kenji dive into the juicy world of burgers, debating fast food favorites like In-N-Out and McDonald's. They unravel the intriguing history of the hamburger and discuss the evolution of smash burgers, highlighting cooking techniques for crispy perfection. A spotlight shines on sweet burger buns and their flavor contrasts, while the hosts share tips on exciting toppings and sauces. With a heartfelt announcement of a temporary hiatus for new projects, listeners are left craving more delicious insights.

21 snips
May 26, 2025 • 15min
Mailbag Part 3
Dive into the delightful world of culinary adventures! Discover when it's acceptable to yuck someone’s yum and learn clever garlic and ginger hacks. Kenji and Deb offer fresh insights on nurturing young chefs, emphasizing the joy of mistakes in the kitchen. Plus, find out the benefits of freezing ginger and garlic while tackling the pros and cons of pre-peeled garlic. This episode is packed with practical tips and personal stories to inspire your cooking journey!

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May 12, 2025 • 34min
Eggs Benedict
Brunch favorites take center stage with a hilarious debate over Eggs Benedict versus chilaquiles. The hosts dive into the essential components of this breakfast classic, sharing the struggles of perfecting poached eggs and hollandaise sauce. They tackle the challenges of timing and ingredient quality while offering tips to master the art of poaching. Plus, a lighthearted discussion on Canadian versus American bacon adds a twist. Homemade English muffins make an appearance, emphasizing their crucial role in this delightful dish.

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Apr 28, 2025 • 39min
French Toast (with Christopher Kimball)
Crisp on the outside, custardy on the inside – this week we’re talking French Toast with special guest Christopher Kimball (Milk Street). Chris joins Kenji and Deb to banter about bread for longer than any podcast ever has (not fact checked) – and how each of them perfects this classic breakfast dish. Plus, Kenji dispels a myth about smoke points! Recipes Mentioned:
Carmelized Cinnamon Sugar French Toast (Smitten Kitchen Keepers)
Perfect quick and easy french toast (Serious Eats)
French Toast, Perfected (Milk Street)
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13 snips
Apr 14, 2025 • 33min
Before Kenji and Deb, there was Lena
Ashley Rose Young, a historian at the Smithsonian's American Food History Project, dives into the extraordinary life of Lena Richard, a groundbreaking African American chef. Lena rose to fame long before Julia Child, overcoming racial and gender barriers to become a culinary icon in New Orleans. The conversation explores her innovative recipes, including the famous gumbo, and the challenges she faced in a segregated society. Young highlights Lena's enduring legacy and her significant contributions to American culinary traditions.

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Mar 31, 2025 • 36min
Hummus
Dive into the world of hummus, where homemade beats store-bought every time. Experience the joy of serving warm, creamy dips and the importance of presentation. Discover the hosts' take on trendy flavors and the rich history of this beloved dish. Learn about the critical role of tahini and techniques for achieving that perfect smooth texture. Engage in light-hearted debates about culinary creativity and unconventional hummus uses. It's a fun and flavorful exploration of a snack staple!

Mar 17, 2025 • 36min
Broccoli Cheddar Soup (and something just as money, with Nigel Poor & Earlonne Woods)
You’re really only technically eating a vegetable with broccoli cheddar soup — it is insistently not health food, but a giant middle finger to whoever invented the four food groups. It is a “you sure about that?” to the likes of President George HW Bush, who famously and controversially banned broccoli from Air Force One. Plus, we get to the bottom of broccoli vs broccoli rabe vs broccolini, and a broccoli dish to impress.Recipes Mentioned:
Broccoli Cheddar Soup (Serious Eats)
Broccoli Cheddar Soup (Smitten Kitchen)
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29 snips
Mar 3, 2025 • 42min
Crispy Chicken Cutlets
Discover the secrets behind achieving the ultimate crispy chicken cutlet. The hosts share delicious variations, from Austrian schnitzel to Japanese katsu, highlighting the adaptability of this dish. Dive into the debate about American versus Asian frying techniques and enjoy personal anecdotes that evoke nostalgia. Learn practical tips on oil management, frying methods, and the science behind a perfect crust. Whether you're a seasoned chef or a home cook, there's something to make your taste buds dance!

21 snips
Feb 17, 2025 • 39min
Brownies (and something just as iconic, with Kelsey McKinney)
Brownies are the ultimate dessert, a divine mix of cake and cookie, that fill your kitchen with heavenly aromas. The hosts dive into the debate over enjoying them warm or cold, tracing their origins and discussing different recipes. They also experiment with olive oil as a substitute for butter, enhancing texture and flavor. Plus, there's talk of perfecting brownies, creative takes like brownie waffles, and the joy of gossip over sweet treats. Expect a delightful blend of personal anecdotes and culinary creativity!

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Feb 3, 2025 • 46min
Nachos (and something just as good, with our EP Audrey)
Discover the surprising origins of nachos, invented for American ladies at a Mexican border town. Dive into the evolution of this beloved snack, learning about both robust Texas-style and traditional variations. Get tips for crafting stunning leftover nachos and engaging ideas for Super Bowl party foods, including unique alternatives beyond nachos. The hosts share personal anecdotes and culinary insights that will elevate your snack game to new heights, making this a must-listen for any food enthusiast.