Organizational psychologist and bestselling author Bob Sutton joins Adam Grant to discuss strategies for overcoming workplace friction, the importance of being a boring leader, and the benefits of good friction. They also explore the impact of quick firing and negative feedback, the significance of genuine listening in conversations, and the importance of challenging others while finding consensus.
Implementing good friction in organizations can help reduce confusion and improve efficiency.
Occasional boredom as a leadership skill can create a calm environment and reduce unnecessary attention.
Deep dives
The importance of making workplaces more effective
Bob Sutton emphasizes the significance of making workplaces more efficient and improving people's lives. He shares that as a PhD student, his mentor taught him the responsibility to have an impact on work environments. He also mentions how his late father's complaints about the US government's dysfunctionality influenced his interest in fixing broken workplaces.
The role of friction in organizations
Friction in organizations refers to the obstacles that hinder progress and intended actions. Bob Sutton explains that while bad friction can be frustrating, there are instances where friction is necessary and beneficial. For example, he shares examples of how implementing good friction, such as approval processes for software purchases, can help reduce confusion and improve efficiency.
The value of being boring as a leader
Bob Sutton discusses the value of occasional boredom as a leadership skill. He shares a story of a CEO who intentionally made a speech on a boring topic to divert attention from the company and avoid press coverage. The idea is that sometimes it is beneficial for leaders to go unnoticed to create a calm environment and reduce unnecessary attention.
Arguing like you're right, listening like you're wrong
Bob Sutton highlights the importance of engaging in discussions with an open mind. He emphasizes the value of arguing our own perspectives while genuinely listening to others. This approach promotes learning, understanding, and the ability to see different viewpoints, ultimately leading to more effective communication and decision-making.
Bob Sutton is an organizational psychologist and bestselling author. In this zesty conversation with Adam, Bob shares insights on how to overcome friction at work. The two also discuss steps for leaders to become better listeners, the surprising advantages of inconvenience, and why it’s better to be a boring leader than an a-hole boss. Bob’s latest book, The Friction Project, is out now. Transcripts for ReThinking are available at go.ted.com/RWAGscripts