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Clearer Thinking with Spencer Greenberg

Using metacognitive therapy to break the habit of rumination (with Pia Callesen)

Aug 30, 2023
Pia Callesen, a prominent Danish metacognitive psychologist with a PhD from Manchester, dives deep into the world of metacognitive therapy. She shares how it differs from other therapies like CBT and DBT, emphasizing the management of negative thought patterns. The discussion reveals insights on controlling responses to intrusive thoughts and the dual nature of worry. Pia highlights the dangers of rumination, its links to feelings of worthlessness, and introduces practical strategies like 'worry time' to foster healthier thinking.
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Quick takeaways

  • Metacognitive therapy focuses on individuals' reaction to negative thoughts, teaching them to leave those thoughts alone and not engage in rumination or worry.
  • Metacognitive therapy emphasizes the role of uncontrollability and usefulness beliefs in mental health challenges, challenging them to reduce rumination and alleviate symptoms of anxiety and depression.

Deep dives

Metacognitive therapy: a new paradigm in psychology

Metacognitive therapy is a new paradigm in psychology that challenges the traditional belief that thoughts are the cause of depression and anxiety. Instead, it focuses on the metacognitive beliefs about thoughts, specifically how individuals react to negative thoughts. The therapy teaches individuals to leave negative thoughts alone and not engage in rumination or worry. By reducing the time spent dwelling on negative thoughts, metacognitive therapy aims to alleviate symptoms of mental health disorders such as anxiety and depression.

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