
Sales Gravy: Jeb Blount Turn Boring Sales Pitches Into Conversations That Close
In this engaging discussion, Danny Fontaine, known as the 'Pitch Guy,' shares his journey from art to sales and the art of transforming boring presentations into compelling conversations. He argues that traditional pitching fails due to predictability and emphasizes the power of storytelling and personal anecdotes to captivate audiences. Danny also reveals techniques for recovering when pitches falter, the importance of emotional connections, and how experiential pitches can lead to impactful engagements that drive sales forward.
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Make Pitches Enjoyable To Persuade
- Pitching often fails because both presenter and audience dread the experience and default to rote slides.
- Creating enjoyable, memorable experiences makes audiences more open and persuades better than facts alone.
Open By Asking What Matters To Them
- Start every pitch by asking the prospect what would make the meeting valuable to them.
- Use their answer to show respect, gather intelligence, and turn the pitch into a conversation.
British Rail Reception That Won The Pitch
- Peter Marsh staged a poor reception to make British Rail feel their customers' pain and then offered a fix.
- That embodied experience won ABM the account over the industry giant Saatchi & Saatchi.
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Intro
00:00 • 2min
Why fun and experience matter in pitches
01:53 • 3min
Pattern disruption beats predictable decks
04:41 • 56sec
Danny's switch from art to sales
05:37 • 2min
The British Rail story and experiential persuasion
07:44 • 5min
Preparation, stories, and pivoting mid-pitch
13:13 • 3min
Use personal stories to teach lessons
16:23 • 3min
How to recover when a pitch falters
19:47 • 3min
Overcoming fear of losing control
22:53 • 3min
Turning personal life stories into business lessons
26:05 • 2min
Example: Parenting, listening, and empathy
27:45 • 6min
Crafting the lesson before the story
33:51 • 4min
Emotion first, information second
37:30 • 4min
Outro
41:51 • 1min
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Pitch

Danny Fontaine
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Through the looking-glass

Lewis Carroll
In this sequel to 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland', Alice climbs through a mirror and enters a world where everything is reversed, much like a reflection.
Here, she finds herself in a land laid out like a giant chessboard, where she must navigate to the eighth rank to become a queen.
Along her journey, she meets a variety of bizarre characters, including the Red Queen, the White Queen, Tweedledum and Tweedledee, and Humpty Dumpty.
The story is filled with Carroll's signature nonsensical logic, word play, and imaginative world-building.

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Sales EQ
How Ultra High Performers Leverage Sales-Specific Emotional Intelligence to Close the Complex Deal

Jeb Blount Jr.
In 'Sales EQ', Jeb Blount emphasizes the importance of emotional intelligence in sales, highlighting that emotions play a crucial role in decision-making rather than just rational logic.
The book explains how top sales performers use four key pillars of Sales EQ: empathy, self-awareness, self-control, and sales drive.
It also discusses the alignment of sales, buying, and decision processes, the use of micro-commitments, and the answering of critical questions that stakeholders ask themselves during the sales process.
Blount provides practical advice on mastering the psychology of influence and managing emotions to achieve ultra-high sales performance.

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Fanatical Prospecting
The Ultimate Guide to Opening Sales Conversations and Filling the Pipeline by Leveraging Social Selling, Telephone, Email, Text, and Cold Calling

Jeb Blount Jr.
Fanatical Prospecting is a detailed guide that explains the importance and methods of prospecting in sales.
The book outlines innovative approaches to prospecting, including the use of social media, telephone, email, text messaging, and cold calling.
It emphasizes the need for a balanced prospecting methodology to avoid sales slumps and keep the pipeline full of qualified opportunities.
Key concepts include the 30-Day Rule, the Law of Replacement, the Law of Familiarity, the 5 C’s of Social Selling, and various frameworks for effective prospecting.
The book is designed to help salespeople, sales leaders, entrepreneurs, and executives improve their sales productivity and grow their income by consistently and effectively prospecting.

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Objection

Jeb Blount Jr.

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Alice in Wonderland

Lewis Carroll
You are on slide 34 when the CFO’s phone buzzes. She glances down. The VP to her left is nodding, but you can tell he checked out ten minutes ago. You know this pitch cold. You have rehearsed it. You built the deck. You covered every feature, every capability, every objection. And still, you are dying up there.
You spent weeks on this presentation. None of it matters because everyone in that room has already sat through the same pitch from three other vendors this month.
“Pitching sucks,” says Danny Fontaine, author of Pitch, on an episode of the Sales Gravy Podcast. “It sucks for the people doing it because we get so stressed out, and we spend weeks doing mountains of work. Meanwhile, there is a whole audience who has just as bad of a time as us because they have to sit through an hour of 100 PowerPoint slides and they’re bored.”
He is right. The audience suffers just as much. They sit through identical presentations, back to back, trying to remember which vendor said what. Both sides leave exhausted. No one wins.
There is a better way. Effective sales pitch techniques don’t rely on slides. They create engagement, tell stories, and turn monologues into conversations that actually move deals forward.
Why Traditional Pitches Fail
The standard pitch follows the same predictable pattern. Company overview. Capabilities. Case studies. Pricing. Questions at the end. Every competitor uses the same structure. That means you are asking your prospect to choose between nearly identical presentations.
When everything looks the same, decision makers default to price or familiarity. Your carefully crafted message gets lost in the noise.
You are treating the pitch like a presentation when it should be a conversation. You are trying to inform when you should be persuading.
Experience Beats Information
In 1979, a small advertising agency called Allen Brady and Marsh (ABM) competed against industry giant Saatchi & Saatchi for the British Rail account. ABM’s founder, Peter Marsh, knew he couldn’t win by playing it safe.
When the British Rail executives arrived for the pitch, no one answered the door. They rang the buzzer three times before it finally opened, with no one behind it. The receptionist ignored them while filing her nails. The waiting area was filthy. After a while of being dismissed, the chairman stood up to leave.
That is when Marsh burst through the doors and said, “Gentlemen, you have just experienced what your customers go through every single day. Shall we see what we can do to put it right?”
ABM won the account. And it worked because the executives didn’t just understand the problem. They felt it.
Most sales pitches fail because they ask buyers to care before they are emotionally engaged. Information alone doesn’t create urgency—experience does.
Start With Them, Not You
Pitches always start the same: ‘Thanks for your time. Here’s our agenda. Let me tell you about our company.’
Your prospect stops listening after the first sentence.
If you want engagement, start with a question. Ask what matters to them. Ask what would make the time valuable. Ask what problem they are trying to solve.
Before you show a single slide, say something like, “Before we start, what would make this conversation worth your time today?” Or, “What is the biggest challenge you are facing with this right now?”
Those questions do three things immediately. They show respect. They give you intelligence. And they turn the pitch into a conversation from the first minute.
This works even better over Zoom, where attention is fragile and distractions are everywhere. When you ask early questions, you pull people in instead of competing with their inbox.
Stories Create Memory
The most powerful stories aren’t pulled from case studies. They come from real life. Every meaningful achievement involves obstacles. Those obstacles contain lessons. Those lessons connect directly to the challenges your prospects are facing.
A story without relevance is just noise. A story with a clear lesson becomes a lever.
A consultant once shared a story about buying a secondhand Lego set. She started building it, only to discover key pieces were missing. After hours of searching for replacements, she had to start over. When pitching a complex implementation, she said, “That taught me something. At the beginning of any project, we have to make sure all the pieces are in the bag.”
That story worked because it made preparation tangible. It made risk visible. It connected emotionally and logically.
If the story does not clearly support the point you are making, don’t tell it.
Ask Before You Lose Them
Most salespeople cling to their script even when they can see the room drifting away. They are afraid of losing control, so they keep talking.
That is how you lose the deal.
Don’t wait until the Q&A to ask questions. Sprinkle them throughout your pitch to keep your audience engaged and the conversation alive.
Ask if you’re hitting the mark, what they want to explore deeper, and what matters most to them.
When you ask questions, you aren’t giving up control. You are gaining it. The person asking the questions is always in control of the conversation.
Emotion First, Logic Second
Buyers like to believe they are rational. They are not. Emotion drives decisions. Logic justifies them.
If you want someone to care, you have to make them feel something. Frustration. Relief. Possibility. Urgency.
That is why the British Rail experience worked. Marsh didn’t argue that customer service was bad. He made them experience it. The feeling came first. The logic followed.
Once a buyer is emotionally engaged, they start looking for reasons to say yes. They look for data to support the decision they already want to make.
This is why information-first pitches fall flat. You are asking people to care before you have given them a reason to.
Create the emotional connection first. Then give them the facts.
When the Room Goes Cold
Even the best sales pitch techniques don’t work every time. Sometimes the wrong people show up, there is a fire you didn’t know about, or your message just doesn’t land.
When that happens, don’t push harder. Pivot. Call it out. Ask what would be more valuable. Acknowledge the moment instead of pretending it is not happening.
That level of honesty builds trust. It shows you are there to solve a problem, not deliver a performance.
Why This Matters
Your prospect didn’t show up to be entertained or to be bored.
When you give them an experience they didn’t expect, you separate yourself from every competitor running the same tired deck. You become memorable. You become relevant. You become human.
The pitch that feels risky is usually the one that wins. The personal story. The direct question. The willingness to have a real conversation.
Because the alternative is being forgotten the moment you leave the room, no matter how many slides you showed.
Want to take your pitch from forgettable to unforgettable? Download the FREE A.C.E.D. Buyer Style Playbook, which shows you exactly how to read your buyers, adapt your approach, and turn every conversation into a deal-closing opportunity.
