

Some Work, All Play
David Roche and Megan Roche
Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!
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Jul 26, 2022 • 1h 32min
112. Fun With Physiology and 8 Performance Science Takeaways from the Tour de France!
We did bathroom mirror glute squeezes before talking about fun ways to understand exercise physiology terms, why pro cycling is the world's greatest endurance experiment (even for runners), 8 performance science takeaways from the Tour de France, fears about doping in cycling (and other sports), book recommendations (Broken Horses and Win At All Costs), a hot take about PM running, cellulite and why your body is perfect, and Brandi Carlile's song "The Joke" and what it means to us. Our longest and most fun episode ever, ending with the best conclusion of all time. Stick around to hear pure joy!
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Jul 19, 2022 • 1h 23min
111. Hardrock 100 Miler, World Track Champs, and Intergalactic Reflections!
We got really, really excited by astronomy before talking about the historic performances at the Hardrock 100 Miler, physiology that people might not think about enough in high-altitude racing, stories from the World Championships, Devon Allen's infuriating DQ due to a false start, how to think about training for long-term growth, the TV show "The Bear," what we need to do to become the #1 podcast episode in Britain, and reflections spurred by the first James Webb Telescope photos. Things get deep, fast. Then they get shallow even faster. You know how we do it! YES, CHEFS.
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Jul 12, 2022 • 1h 18min
110. Our Favorite Workouts, How The Sport Is Changing, and Feelings as Data!
We put on some sexy white spandex shorts before talking about the different workouts we'd recommend if an athlete could only do one, our favorite sessions and the rationale for different workout types (tempo, long intervals, short intervals, and hills), whether we'll ever understand what cryptocurrency actually is, the incredible movie Everything Everywhere All At Once, why we are skeptical about vegetables, reflections from watching Unbreakable for the first time, how the sport is changing over time, and the liberating idea of feelings as data, rather than a threat. Plus side-discussions on death, sex, and taxes! You know, THE GOOD STUFF.
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Jul 5, 2022 • 1h 25min
109. Mount Marathon, Gel Reviews, US Mountain Champs, Shoe Review Update!
We overcame an acute case of over-stoke syndrome before talking about the wildest race in the world, how Mount Marathon breaks algorithms and ankles, the incredible stories of Tabor and Eli Hemming, a recap of the US Mountain Championships, how to think about "pain" in the context of training, a full review of 9 different energy gels (prepare for some spicy hot takes), shoe review updates on the most buzz-generating models of the summer, the complex science of functional overreaching, and Adam Peterman. All praise the Petergod!
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Jun 28, 2022 • 1h 15min
108. Western States Recap Celebration! Plus Cooling Techniques and Media Review
We took some hardcore grass naps before talking about 13 things we learned at the Western States 100 Miler! That includes the booming media coverage, Adam Peterman becoming a PeterGOD, theories for why the times are so fast, and much more. Plus we do some deeper dives into the exciting world of mid-event cooling techniques (and how we think that will drive performance changes even in temperate races), how speed is so important for long races, the exciting and evolving landscape of running, and the less exciting prospect of 12-inch probes. It'll make sense soon.
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Jun 23, 2022 • 42min
BONUS: Western States 100 Time Predictions, Microbiome and Performance, and Hydration Science
This week, we are bringing our BONUS Patreon episode to everyone to highlight some sexy science! Megan was just named the Western States Research Co-Director, and our celebration is to bring you some research updates in hot-tub conversation format. We start with reviewing two fascinating talks at the medical conference on hyponatremia/hydration and how the gut microbiome may influence performance and health. Then, we examine some BREAKING NEWS SCIENCE from Dr. Marshall Burke on how heat impacts performance, and what that means for time predictions for this year's race.
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We love you all! HUZZAH!

Jun 21, 2022 • 1h 28min
107. Broken Arrow Race Recap, VO2 Max Competitions, Western States 100 Stories
We got really, really excited about Olympic Valley before talking about takeaways from the Broken Arrow skyraces, the complexity of races that reward VO2 max, how training for other sports can support running (but how that might also hide the true performance drivers), 6 tips for dealing with pre-race anxiety, 4 narratives around the Western States 100, our sleeper picks for podium finishes, the importance of eating enough for male athletes, and thinking about running training in a power-per-stride framework. Plus lots more fun! Make sure you stick around to the very end for the G.O.A.T. pregnancy burp. We love you all! WOOHOO!
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Jun 14, 2022 • 1h 24min
106. Western States 100 Preview and Picks!
We dodged an angry moose before dedicating almost the whole episode to one of our favorite events of the year: The Western States 100! Whether you care about this race or not, we hope to convey big enthusiasm, bigger science, and even bigger subjective opinions. It was so much fun to break down wild ultra science on how physiology responds to this race, the unique demands of the course, 2022 sub-plots, and who we are picking for top finishes. We are SO EXCITED for the Super Bowl of US ultra running! Plus, we gave some happy pregnancy updates!
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Jun 7, 2022 • 1h 19min
105. Speed v. Volume, Hydration Reviews, and Data Periodization
We witnessed some real-life Twitter beefs before talking about 3 things we learned at the American College of Sports Medicine conference, data periodization and how to maintain joy while learning more about your body, athletics before GPS, our love/hate list for hydration products, a new study on increasing easy volume versus adding hard intensity, recent research on the menstrual cycle and training, and the mind-altering power of a cold Coca Cola. For a weekly bonus episode, make sure you're subscribed to our Patreon! We love you all! WOOHOO!
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May 31, 2022 • 1h 19min
104. European Racing, Strides for Speed, and UTMB Policies
We started the Cha Cha Challenge before talking about training for the unique challenges of European racing, more shoe reviews, being an introvert at professional conferences, why all clothes should be maternity fit, how stride workouts can spur progression across decades of serious training, follow-ups on vegetarianism, some problems with UTMB's doping policies, and the cool science of hydration wearables. For a weekly bonus episode, make sure you're subscribed to our Patreon! We love you all! WOOHOO!
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