

Some Work, All Play
David Roche and Megan Roche
Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!
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Nov 22, 2022 • 1h 13min
129. Adam Peterman Interview! Western States 100 Winner and World Champ on Life, Training, and Kindness
We got to have a joyous, wide-ranging interview with the athlete who has quietly had one of the greatest running seasons ever, Adam Peterman! He is so kind, funny, and gracious, and we can't wait for you to get to know him in a deeper way during this episode.
Adam's last year of racing has been mind-blowing, with wins at the JFK 50 Miler, Chuckanut 50k, Canyons 100k, Western States 100, and the World Championships. We discuss the training and long-term trajectory that led to his legendary speed and endurance! That means a deep dive into everything from weekly mileage to workouts to strength to training block structure. But our favorite parts of the episode involved his answers to probing questions about kindness, image, and pursuing potential in an uncertain world.
Adam is a stellar human whose journey is just getting started. This is the inspirational story of how a Peterman became a PeterGOD!
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Nov 15, 2022 • 1h 19min
128. Importance of "Moderate" Running, Family Adventures, and Love and Inclusion in Sports!
It's the ultimate celebration episode, full of fun training and life talk! We started with a joyful reflection about navigating through the dark forests in life, and how the path that starts out broken and sad can evolve in ways you never imagine (like with a FREAKING BABY). Then we hit on a bunch of running and life topics: why steady/moderate running is often overlooked in training plans, how to execute moderate running in a base period and all year, Adam PeterGOD winning the World Championships, what Courtney Dauwalter has been up to since our interview on episode 123, and exciting new data and an upcoming study on wrist-based heart rate. The most important part of the episode is a discussion of leading with love and openness in the running community by providing affirmation to non-binary athletes, highlighting Riley Brady winning a Golden Ticket to Western States at the Javelina 100.
Thank you for being on this wild ride with us! For a weekly bonus episode (and bi-weekly newsletter), make sure you're subscribed to our Patreon. We love you all! WOOHOO!
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Nov 8, 2022 • 1h 9min
127. Weekly Mileage, 8 Courtney Dauwalter Training Takeaways, and Overcoming Low Motivation!
Today's episode is such a fun discussion of cool training ideas, mental health rollercoasters, and life swerves! The main discussion is on 8 takeaways from Courtney Dauwalter's training to become the best in the world, collected from our interview with her and every other source we could get our hands on. We provide an analysis of weekly mileage (and how that will vary for athletes with different stress limitations), controlled long runs and workouts, strength routines, tapers, and much more! Other topics: low motivation days, how to use doubles (two training sessions in one day), and the icky feelings that come with marketing/self-promotion.
It was a total celebration episode, recorded just before the baby popped out. Yes, this episode is also an opportunity to TIME TRAVEL with us! Baby Leo is sleeping and eating like a boss, so it's clear he has learned some lessons from Courtney already.
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Nov 1, 2022 • 1h 19min
126. Norwegian Training Breakdown! The Approach Taking Over the Endurance World
Explore the cutting-edge Norwegian training approach in endurance sports, focusing on threshold training, easy days, and controlled intervals. Learn about lactate monitoring, muscle fiber optimization, and double threshold workout days. Delve into the role of genetics, performance enhancements, and nutrition in athletic training.

Oct 25, 2022 • 1h 16min
125. How To Build Aerobic Base All Year, Speed Development, and 5 Debates About Gear!
This lively discussion tackles the importance of year-round aerobic base building and the nuances of off-season training. The hosts humorously debate various running gear, from hydration options to head torches, while sharing personal anecdotes. They reflect on the balance of grit and competitiveness in training and explore the emotional challenges of the offseason. Also highlighted are the complexities of doping in sports and the urgent need for authentic connections in a fast-paced world, all wrapped in light-hearted banter.

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Oct 18, 2022 • 1h 16min
124. Wild Taper Science, Our Big Nutrition Rule, and 6 Racing Lessons!
This podcast episode covers topics such as tapering approaches of elite athletes, the impact of nutrition on race performance, and the importance of celebrating food. They also discuss racing lessons, including the benefits of adjusting tapering strategies and the prevalence of eating disorders among athletes.

Oct 11, 2022 • 1h 3min
123. Courtney Dauwalter Interview! The Legend Talks Training, Life, and Hallucinations
We got to interview the brilliant, kind, and HILARIOUS Courtney Dauwalter! Courtney has won UTMB twice, the Hardrock 100, the Western States 100, and established herself as an absolute force of nature that transcends running. In this episode, we dug deep on her training theory, from weekly mileage to workouts to rest days. But even more fun was a deep conversation about life and motivation. This episode has it all: physiology, training theory, ice cream favors, hallucinations, and much more!
Courtney is our ultimate inspiration. Will she agree to coach us? Only time will tell.
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Oct 4, 2022 • 1h 23min
122. Marathon Principles, 4 Eliud Kipchoge Training Reactions, and Process-Focus Science!
We got VERY EXCITED about enchiladas before an invigorating episode on training and intrinsic motivation! The main topics: 3 marathon training principles that apply to all endurance runners, the magic of long runs that build aerobic lipidic power, 4 follow-up discussions about Eliud Kipchoge's training before setting the world record, recent studies on why process-motivation supports well-being and performance, a grab-bag of 7 recommendations for training and life fun, how to use cross-training, a big announcement about next week's guest, and the nuances of supershoe variation. Plus doubles, exciting podcast growth, creating sustainable running form, and lots of other fun topics!
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Sep 27, 2022 • 1h 22min
121. Eliud Kipchoge's Marathon Training, Running as a Power Sport, and Aging Superpowers!
Elite marathon runner Eliud Kipchoge's training secrets revealed, focusing on zone 1 runs and flexible workout adjustments. Discussions on marathon breakthroughs for older athletes, running as a power sport, and adapting training principles to everyday life. Plus, insights on hydration theories, recovery focus, and holistic health routines.

Sep 20, 2022 • 1h 25min
120. Long Run Theories, 10 Kilian Training Reactions, and Fasted Running Thoughts!
We embraced the pizza underwear process before having such a fun episode with lots of training and life topics! The big training discussion revolved around 10 reactions to the approach that Kilian Jornet used to become the GOAT. Get ready for a buffet of the hottest training takes on: doubles, the theory of long runs and why they don't need to be too long, the complexity of fasted training, Zone 1 work, tapers, minimal dose strength training, hill/flat combination workouts, focused base-building periods, nutrition/supplementation, and the magic of a long-term process focus. We also talked about the perils of marginal-gain optimization, horoscopes, testosterone levels, and SO MUCH MORE! Buckle up, the science was extra sexy in this one.
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