
Complex Systems with Patrick McKenzie (patio11)
We live in a world where our civilization and daily lives depend upon institutions, infrastructure, and technological substrates that are _complicated_ but not _unknowable_. Join Patrick McKenzie (patio11) as he discusses how decisions, technology, culture, and incentives shape our finance, technology, government, and more, with the people who built (and build) those Complex Systems.
Latest episodes

32 snips
Nov 14, 2024 • 1h 44min
Boom, busts, and long term progress with Byrne Hobart
Byrne Hobart, author of "Boom: Bubbles and the End of Stagnation," dives into the interplay between economic bubbles and innovation. He discusses how irrational market enthusiasm, like the 1990s fiber optic boom, can lead to technological advancements that benefit society long-term. The conversation highlights historical examples, from Bell Labs to today's AI investments and energy infrastructure, illustrating how even painful market crashes can drive genuine progress. Byrne reflects on the cyclical nature of tech and finance, revealing hidden patterns of innovation amid speculation.

13 snips
Nov 7, 2024 • 39min
How money moves, with Erik Torenberg
Erik Torenberg, founder of Turpentine and an expert in banking systems, joins the discussion on the complexities of money movement. They explore how banks use correspondent accounts and clearinghouses to facilitate transactions. The conversation shifts from the historical gold standard to the modern implications of stablecoins. Erik explains the different models of stablecoins, their potential for revolutionizing finance, and the challenges of regulation and compliance in the evolving financial landscape.

16 snips
Oct 31, 2024 • 1h 29min
From molecule to medicine, with Ross Rheingans-Yoo
In this discussion, Ross Rheingans-Yoo, an expert in drug development, delves into the complexities of drug approval processes, revealing systemic inefficiencies and the evolving landscape of clinical trials. He reflects on historical events like the thalidomide crisis and how they shaped FDA policy, while also highlighting the impact of the AIDS epidemic and COVID-19 on accelerated approvals. Ross shares his innovative work in rescuing abandoned drugs and emphasizes the need for integrating technology into medicine to enhance patient care and streamline drug development.

50 snips
Oct 24, 2024 • 1h 20min
Picking Uncle Sam's pocket, with Jetson Leder-Luis
Jetson Leder-Luis, an economist and fraud expert at Boston University, dives into the complexities of government program fraud. He exposes shocking healthcare fraud tactics, from hospice manipulations to ambulance service schemes. The conversation reveals how systemic flaws and poor policy designs enable these abuses. They discuss the economic fallout of fraudulent claims, the ROI on anti-fraud measures, and the ethics of vaccine distribution during COVID-19. Jetson advocates for innovative solutions to enhance regulatory frameworks and deter fraud.

91 snips
Oct 17, 2024 • 1h 30min
How real estate investing works with Moses Kagan
Moses Kagan, co-founder of Adaptive Realty and an expert in real estate investment, shares rich insights into the intricate world of property management. He discusses the challenges landlords face, from financing to tenant dynamics, and highlights the profound impact of the Internet on capital raising. Kagan compares real estate markets across major cities, dives into the significance of cap rates, and explores how societal perceptions of landlords shape the rental landscape. His perspectives illuminate the complexities of rental dynamics and the immigrant contributions to the sector.

26 snips
Oct 10, 2024 • 60min
Telling the tech story
Erik Torenberg, an investor and media entrepreneur behind Turpentine, dives into the intricate dance between tech journalism and the tech industry. He discusses how storytelling in films like 'The Social Network' shapes perceptions of entrepreneurship. The conversation highlights the decline in quality journalism as talent shifts to tech roles, and how social media dynamics lead to groupthink among journalists. Torenberg urges a nuanced understanding of media's influence on tech, moving beyond simplistic narratives.

13 snips
Oct 3, 2024 • 1h 54min
The hundred-year-old telegram worth $5 million, with Jim McKenzie
Jim McKenzie, a veteran in commercial real estate development, shares fascinating insights into navigating the complex world of urban development. He recounts the challenges of securing permits, managing local politics, and even the quirks of dealing with Chicago's infamous aldermen. The discussion highlights his unique experiences, like transforming a day-old bread store into a bank and uncovering a century-old telegram with significant legal implications. It's a revealing look at the hidden bureaucracy and intricate relationships that shape our cities.

31 snips
Sep 26, 2024 • 1h 28min
Bits, Bytes, and Burgers with Byrne Hobart
Byrne Hobart, a finance and technology writer behind The Diff, joins for a fascinating discussion on 'whales' in gaming and their parallels in various industries. They delve into the psychology of in-game spending, revealing how players transition from casual to high-end purchases. The conversation also explores bespoke software for affluent hobbies and the evolution of restaurant websites. Additionally, they share insights on the role of AI in enhancing memory and the transformation of user experiences in search.

38 snips
Sep 19, 2024 • 1h 24min
Decisions Nobody Made, policy edition, with Dave Guarino
Dave Guarino, a seasoned software engineer and policy expert with a background in California's SNAP program, dives into the complexities of public policy. He discusses the convoluted application processes that lead to user frustration. The conversation reveals how societal preferences often shape inefficient policies, and emphasizes the need for user-centric design. Guarino also explores how technology could streamline processes and improve accessibility in government systems, pushing for impactful changes that prioritize citizens' experiences.

11 snips
Sep 12, 2024 • 55min
True Crime, banking edition
A thought-provoking discussion unveils the intricacies of banking and money laundering. Dive into the three stages of money laundering: placement, layering, and integration. Explore how the financial system acts as law enforcement while facing unintended consequences of stringent regulations. The dynamics of big tech versus traditional banking reveal tensions between innovation and compliance. With a focus on KYC and AML regulations, the conversation highlights their impact on businesses and access to financial services, raising questions about the future of regulatory practices.
Remember Everything You Learn from Podcasts
Save insights instantly, chat with episodes, and build lasting knowledge - all powered by AI.