
Complex Systems with Patrick McKenzie (patio11)
We live in a world where our civilization and daily lives depend upon institutions, infrastructure, and technological substrates that are _complicated_ but not _unknowable_. Join Patrick McKenzie (patio11) as he discusses how decisions, technology, culture, and incentives shape our finance, technology, government, and more, with the people who built (and build) those Complex Systems.
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Feb 6, 2025 • 1h 14min
Power plays: grid economics and engineering, with Travis Dauwalter
Travis Dauwalter, an energy enthusiast and PhD, delves into the intricacies of the US electrical grid. He explains how this complex system maintains a real-time supply-demand balance and explores the challenges of integrating renewable energy. The discussion highlights why there are three interconnected grids in America and the impact of seasonal energy demand. Travis also touches on the economics of power generation, including the evolving role of data centers in energy markets and the unique dynamics of industries like cryptocurrency mining.

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Jan 30, 2025 • 45min
The landmines buried in the fine print of Chicago’s new casino deal
Diving into Chicago's controversial casino deal, the discussion reveals the entangled web of local politics, economic grievances, and the unique challenges of investing in such a venture. Concerns about minority ownership and historical discrimination are scrutinized, highlighting the intersection of civil rights and investment opportunities. The complexities of corporate structures and profit distribution leave potential investors wary. With intriguing anecdotes, the conversation further navigates financial pitfalls and tax implications, shedding light on a gamble that's far from straightforward.

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Jan 23, 2025 • 1h 11min
The banking crisis, two years later
The conversation dives into the real dynamics of the recent banking crisis, highlighting that 22 banks faced significant deposit outflows, mostly driven by institutional players. It challenges the traditional narratives around bank runs, emphasizing the often unseen shifts between banks rather than outright withdrawals. The impact of rising interest rates on stability is explored, alongside critiques of government communications and public trust in financial narratives. This insightful analysis sheds light on the complexities of modern banking systems.

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Jan 16, 2025 • 1h 2min
Debanking explained
Delve into the intricate world of debanking and its complex implications beyond crypto narratives. Discover how Operation Chokepoint's tactics have shaped banking access issues, especially for underserved groups. Examine the controversial fall of Silvergate Bank and the scrutiny it faced amid regulatory challenges. Unearth how banking's relationship with cryptocurrency creates barriers for legitimate businesses. This engaging conversation lays bare the connections between political agendas and financial infrastructure.

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Jan 9, 2025 • 1h 5min
Retrospective on 2024, with Sammy Cottrell
Sammy Cottrell, the executive assistant and producer for Complex Systems, joins the discussion to delve into the podcast's behind-the-scenes magic. They discuss the vital role of high-quality transcripts in making content accessible and the challenges of incorporating AI while maintaining unique speaker styles. The conversation also touches on guest dynamics, the influence of self-promotion on popularity, and the complexities of choosing genuine experts over high-profile figures. Finally, they explore the future of content creation in an AI-driven world.

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Jan 2, 2025 • 1h 20min
Seeing like an outsider, with Yatharth
A graduate student interviews a software engineer about the intricacies of cultural codes and institutional systems. They share personal stories about navigating bureaucracy and credit card debt, revealing the evolution of their financial literacy. The discussion touches on parenting multicultural children and the challenges of emotional availability. Insights into the transformative role of AI in storytelling and communication unfold, alongside reflections on global financial systems like India's Unified Payments Interface, highlighting the value of cross-cultural knowledge.

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Dec 19, 2024 • 1h 14min
The future of pandemic preparedness, with Joshua Morrison
Joshua Morrison, CEO of 1Day Sooner and advocate for scientific advances in infectious disease response, joins the conversation. He shares insights on the successes and failures of Operation Warp Speed in vaccine development. Morrison highlights the need for innovative clean air technologies to improve pandemic preparedness and discusses the importance of effective communication and trust in public health. The conversation also touches on leveraging past experiences to enhance regulatory frameworks for rapid response to future pandemics.

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Dec 12, 2024 • 1h 11min
How we tax property, with Lars Doucet
Lars Doucet, author of "Land is a Big Deal" and a property tax expert, joins the conversation to unravel the complexities of property assessment. He explains how cities value properties and the political dynamics behind tax rates. The discussion covers the challenges of maintaining equity in assessments, especially with discrepancies between neighbors. Doucet shares insights on how technological tools like GIS are reshaping the landscape of property valuation and the potential benefits of predictive analytics in creating fair tax policies.

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Dec 5, 2024 • 51min
Fraud levels are a policy choice
Patrick McKenzie dives into the intriguing balance between fraud prevention and customer experience. He examines how businesses and governments accept some level of fraud as a cost of doing business, using examples from payment systems and pandemic policies. The discussion highlights the ethical dilemmas in retail security and the complexities of navigating fraud in government benefit programs. Listeners will discover why reducing fraud to zero could stifle legitimate commerce and how different sectors calibrate their tolerance for fraud based on their unique challenges.

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Nov 21, 2024 • 56min
AI, poker, and mind games, with Max Chiswick
Max Chiswick, a former professional poker player and AI educator, discusses the fascinating intersection of poker and decision-making. He highlights how the online poker boom provided rich data sets for studying human choices. The conversation delves into how poker functions as a testing ground for AI while revealing the ethical dilemmas within both poker and AI development. Additionally, Max shares insights into the evolution of AI in the game, enhancing strategies and teaching through innovative online tools.
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