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Exploring what it means to live a good life. What does it mean to live a good life? What is true happiness? What are the habits, practices, and dispositions that contribute to authentic human flourishing? No Small Endeavor examines these questions with host Lee C. Camp. You'll hear from best-selling authors, philosophers, scientists, artists, psychologists, theologians and even the occasional politician—courageous, impassioned people taking seriously the question of how to live a good life. Striving for a good life is No Small Endeavor, and we’re here with you on the road. Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
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May 7, 2024 • 48min
154: Unabridged Interview: Karen Korematsu
Karen Korematsu, daughter of civil rights activist Fred Korematsu, shares her father's story of defying unjust internment during World War II. They discuss the legacy of Korematsu v. United States, origins of courage, reopening of the Japanese American Incarceration case, and pursuit of social justice. An insightful conversation on historical injustices and the importance of standing up for civil liberties.

May 2, 2024 • 54min
154: Eugene Cho and Karen Korematsu: Asian American History is American History (Best of NSE)
What is it like to be an Asian American?
In light of the beginning of AAPI month, we present a re-airing of our episode from 2021 with Karen Korematsu and Eugene Cho, two Asian-Americans with unique stories of grief and hope.
Karen Korematsu tells the story of her father Fred Korematsu, a famed Japanese-American civil rights activist who refused Franklin Roosevelt’s executive order to report to what FDR himself called “a concentration camp” on American soil shortly after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Eugene Cho discusses his experiences as a Korean-born American immigrant, and how we might learn to love our neighbors in the face of political polarization and racial discrimination.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
Eugene Cho: Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk
Elise Hu: Obsessed with Beauty
Resources mentioned this episode
Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk by Eugene Cho
The Korematsu Institute
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes - Eugene Cho
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes - Karen Korematsu
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May 1, 2024 • 31min
For Your Consideration: The Gist Featuring Sir David King
Today, we’re sharing a special episode from The Gist—hosted by Mike Pesca.
Sir David King, formerly the UK's Government Chief Scientific Adviser, is now the Founder and Chair at Cambridge's Center for Climate Repair. He advocates carbon capture technology as part of the mix of solutions to climate change. Many environmentalists are not sold.
Mike Pesca has established a seven-year connection to his audience as host of The Gist. For thirty minutes each day, Pesca challenges himself and his audience, in a responsibly provocative style, and gets beyond the rigidity and dogma. The Gist is surprising, reasonable, and willing to critique the left, the right, either party, or any idea.
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Apr 30, 2024 • 1h 5min
153: Unabridged Interview: Suzanne Stabile
This is our unabridged interview with Suzanne Stabile.
What is the Enneagram, and how can it help us live a good life?
“The unexamined life is not worth living,” said Socrates. But if that’s true, how are we to go about examining our lives, and what templates or metrics are we to use?
One of the best places to start, suggests author and speaker Suzanne Stabile, is the ancient wisdom tool known as the Enneagram. What at first glance seems like a Myers-Briggs-esque personality test for grouping humanity into neat piles is actually a tool for observing our way of seeing and being in the world and helps us see that not everyone experiences the world in the same way. Using the Enneagram, she says, “I teach people who they're not. I don't teach people who they are.” In this episode, she gives an overview of the ways in which the Enneagram just might help us become more understanding, compassionate, holistic people.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
Ian Cron: Recovery, the Enneagram, and Being Human
Tara Brach: Radical Acceptance
David Brooks: Can We Save Society by Knowing Each Other?
Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection
Resources mentioned this episode
The Road Back to You by Suzanne Stabile and Ian Cron
The Path Between Us by Suzanne Stabile
The Enneagram Journey podcast
Suzanne’s website
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcript for Abridged Episode
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Apr 25, 2024 • 54min
153: Suzanne Stabile: Exploring The Enneagram (Best of NSE)
Suzanne Stabile, an acclaimed author and speaker on the Enneagram, shares insights into this ancient personality tool that fosters understanding and compassion. She explains how the Enneagram helps individuals decipher their reactions and enhance their relationships by emphasizing curiosity over judgment. The conversation delves into navigating perfectionism, particularly for type ones, and its transformative potential. Stabile encourages self-acceptance and emotional awareness in a turbulent world, highlighting the Enneagram's role in personal growth and societal change.

Apr 23, 2024 • 59min
152: Unabridged Interview: Bill McKibben
This is our unabridged interview with Bill McKibben.
“If we are to take heart from the really good things about American history, we have no choice but to reckon first with the dark sides of it,” says Bill McKibben, journalist, author, and activist.
One of the most prominent of environmental activists and authors, McKibben also discusses racial justice, the economic impact of suburbanization, and the relation of the Christian church to social change in America.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
Katharine Hayhoe: The Most Polarized Issue in the United States
Debra Rienstra: Healing the Earth
Peter Harris: The Collapse of the Biosphere
Chris Doran: Hope in the Age of Climate Change
Resources mentioned this episode
The Flag, the Cross, and the Station Wagon by Bill McKibben
Bill McKibben Interview Notes
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Apr 18, 2024 • 55min
152: Earth Day Special: Climate and Society
Believe it or not, a 2020 PEW study revealed that the most polarized issue in the US is climate change.
How did we get here? How have the warnings of climate science been ignored by half the country? How serious is the climate problem, how immediate are the consequences, and what can regular people like us really do about it?
In this episode, four voices discuss the subject from all angles. We hear from cognitive scientist John Cook on the history of climate misinformation, climate researcher Katharine Hayhoe on what the science is actually saying, theologian Debra Rienstra on the ways religion impacts climate-based decisions, and activist Bill McKibben on the ways we can help here and now.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
Katharine Hayhoe: The Most Polarized Issue in the United States
Debra Rienstra: Healing the Earth
Bill McKibben: The Flag, the Cross, and the Station Wagon
Peter Harris: The Collapse of the Biosphere
Chris Doran: Hope in the Age of Climate Change
Resources mentioned this episode
2020 PEW Study on Climate Polarization
The Flag, the Cross, and the Station Wagon by Bill McKibben
Saving Us by Katharine Hayhoe
Refugia Faith by Debra Rienstra
John Cook Interview Notes
Katharine Hayhoe Interview Notes
Debra Rienstra Interview Notes
Bill McKibben Interview Notes
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Apr 16, 2024 • 1h 6min
151: Unabridged Interview: Pádraig Ó Tuama
This is our unabridged interview with Pádraig Ó Tuama.
What if, to be a peacemaker, one might have to wade into trouble and stir the waters oneself? What if, to be a theologian, one might have to leave some of the most troubling questions about God unanswered? What if, to be a poet, one might have to do away with flowery abstraction and accept the nitty-gritty of real life?
Pádraig Ó Tuama, host of the podcast Poetry Unbound from On Being Studios, is all of these things - peacemaker, theologian, poet. In this episode, he shares beautiful and troubling stories from his peacemaking work in Northern Ireland, discusses why one must be ready to accept nuance as a condition for any fruitful outcome, and offers observations about the makings of a good life.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
John Dear: How to Be Nonviolent
Michael T. McRay: I Am Not Your Enemy
Poetry as Politics: Poet Laureates Tracy K. Smith and Marie Howe
Azim Khamisa: Ending Violence Through Forgiveness
Resources mentioned this episode
"The Facts of Life" - Pádraig Ó Tuama
Being Here by Pádraig Ó Tuama
Sorry for Your Troubles by Pádraig Ó Tuama
Readings from the Book of Exile by Pádraig Ó Tuama
Poetry Unbound
Corrymeela’s website
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Link to Transcript for Abridged Episode
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Apr 11, 2024 • 54min
151: Pádraig Ó Tuama: A Poet’s Work in Peace and Reconciliation (Best of NSE)
What if, to be a peacemaker, one might have to wade into trouble and stir the waters oneself? What if, to be a theologian, one might have to leave some of the most troubling questions about God unanswered? What if, to be a poet, one might have to do away with flowery abstraction and accept the nitty-gritty of real life?
Pádraig Ó Tuama, host of the podcast Poetry Unbound from On Being Studios, is all of these things - peacemaker, theologian, poet. In this episode, he shares beautiful and troubling stories from his peacemaking work in Northern Ireland, discusses why one must be ready to accept nuance as a condition for any fruitful outcome, and offers observations about the makings of a good life.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
John Dear: How to Be Nonviolent
Michael T. McRay: I Am Not Your Enemy
Poetry as Politics: Poet Laureates Tracy K. Smith and Marie Howe
Azim Khamisa: Ending Violence Through Forgiveness
Resources mentioned this episode
"The Facts of Life" - Pádraig Ó Tuama
Being Here by Pádraig Ó Tuama
Sorry for Your Troubles by Pádraig Ó Tuama
Readings from the Book of Exile by Pádraig Ó Tuama
Poetry Unbound
Corrymeela’s website
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcription Link
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Apr 9, 2024 • 1h 19min
150: Unabridged Interview: Azim Khamisa
This is our unabridged interview with Azim Khamisa.
How do you forgive the man who killed your son?
In 1995, Azim Khamisa’s only son Tariq was shot and killed while delivering a pizza. The killer was a 14-year-old gang member named Tony Hicks, and due to a recent change of law in the state of California, Tony was tried as an adult and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.
But instead of responding with a call for outrage or revenge, Azim did the unthinkable: he forgave his son’s killer, and he fought for his release.
“My interpretation of this tragedy was that there are victims at both ends of the gun,” he says. In this episode, he tells the full story of how he uses his experience to help end youth violence, even recruiting his son’s killer to join in the work. It is one of unimaginable grief, staunch faith, and unwavering compassion.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
Forgiving My Mother’s Murderer: Sharon Risher
Burying 250 Friends: Greg Boyle on Community Amidst Gang Violence
Resources mentioned this episode
TKF’s website
Azim’s website
Azim’s TED Talk
Email Azim: azim@azimkhamisa.com
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Link to Transcript for Abridged Episode
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