
Perennial Wisdom
Perennial Wisdom (formerly In Search of Wisdom) is a podcast for seekers and curious minds. Join the search with J.W. Bertolotti (creator of the Perennial Meditations newsletter) to discover practical wisdom from philosophical and spiritual traditions. Learn more at perennial.substack.com.
Latest episodes

Sep 21, 2022 • 54min
Kevin Griffin | The Art of Wisdom
In this episode, my guest is Kevin Griffin, the author of Living Kindness: Metta Practice for the Whole of Our Lives. Kevin is a longtime Buddhist practitioner, author, teacher, and leader in the mindful recovery movement. He is also the author of One Breathe at a Time, Buddhism and the Twelve Steps Daily Reflections, and many others. You can learn more about Kevin’s work and background at KevinGriffin.net.
In the conversation, Kevin and I discuss:
The Four Noble Truths
How to think about suffering
The wisdom of listening
The art of contemplation
Integrating wisdom into daily life and much more
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Sep 14, 2022 • 58min
Bryan Van Norden | Taking Back Philosophy: A Multicultural Manifesto
In this episode, my guest is Bryan Van Norden the author of Taking Back Philosophy: A Multicultural Manifesto. Prof. Van Norden is the James Monroe Taylor Chair in Philosophy at Vassar College and Chair Professor in Philosophy in the School of Philosophy at Wuhan University (China). He has published numerous books on Chinese and comparative philosophy. You can learn more about his work at BryanVanNorden.com.
In the conversation, Bryan and I discuss:
The meaning behind the title Taking Back Philosophy
How we should define philosophy
The benefits of comparative philosophy
The role of rituals and much more
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Sep 7, 2022 • 1h 8min
Shaila Catherine | Five Practical Ways to Focus the Mind
Shaila Catherine, a renowned meditation teacher and author of three insightful books, shares her expertise on mental focus and clarity. She discusses the distinction between the content of thoughts and the process of thinking. Shaila provides five practical strategies to enhance concentration and tackle negative thought patterns. The conversation delves into the transformative benefits of meditation, highlighting mindfulness as a tool for emotional management and spiritual growth. Listeners are encouraged to cultivate self-awareness and establish boundaries for a clearer mind.

Aug 31, 2022 • 41min
Scott Hershovitz | Nasty, Brutish, and Short - Adventures in Philosophy
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In this episode, my guest is Scott Hershovitz, the author of Nasty, Brutish, and Short: Adventures in Philosophy with My Kids. Scott is the Thomas G. and Mabel Long Professor of Law and Professor of Philosophy at the University of Michigan. As you’ll hear in the episode, Scott has a deep passion for philosophy. You can learn more about his work at scotthershovitz.com.
In the conversation, Scott and I discuss:
Why kids are good philosophers
How to have fun doing philosophy
Exploring perennial questions
The meaning of wisdom
The virtue of justice and much more
Resources Mentioned:
Wireless Philosophy (Free videos from experts in philosophy)
Teaching Children Philosophy (by the Prindle Institute)
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
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Aug 24, 2022 • 51min
Eric Zimmer | The One You Feed
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In this episode, my guest is Eric Zimmer, the host of the award-winning podcast The One You Feed. Eric is a behavior coach, spiritual director, and someone inspired by the quest for a greater understanding of how our mind works and how to intentionally create the lives we want to live. Learn more about Eric’s work at oneyoufeed.net.
In the conversation, Eric and I discuss:
How to integrate practical wisdom
Discernment in daily life
The wisdom of community
The meaning of emptiness
The wisdom of action and much more
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Aug 17, 2022 • 54min
Dr. Kevin Vost | The Foundation of Virtue
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In this episode, my guest is Dr. Kevin Vost, the author of more than twenty books. Today we discuss his new book Humble Strength. Kevin is a clinical psychologist, professor, and speaker. His work covers a wide array of topics from ancient philosophy, theology, and even strength training. Learn more about Kevin’s work at drvost.com.
In the conversation, Kevin and I discuss:
Discerning your path in life
Misconceptions around humility
Why humility leads to truth and reality
The connection between fear and humility
Wisdom in daily life and much more
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Aug 10, 2022 • 53min
Skye Cleary | How to Be Authentic
Welcome to In Search of Wisdom, a podcast by the Perennial Leader Project.
In this episode, my guest is Skye Cleary, the author of the new book How to Be Authentic. Skye is a philosopher and writer. She teaches at Columbia University and the City University of New York and is also the author of Existentialism and Romantic Love. Learn more about Skye at skyecleary.com.
In the conversation, Skye and I discuss:
Simone de Beauvoir and why she is an important figure today
The challenges of defining Existentialism
The idea of “Becoming”
Whether it’s possible to know yourself
The problem with labels
Wisdom in daily life and much more
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Aug 3, 2022 • 56min
Jason Merchey | The Wisdom of Skepticism
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In this episode, my guest is Jason Merchey, the author of Wisdom: A Very Valuable Virtue That Cannot Be Bought. Jason is the founder of Values of the Wise, author of five books, and someone with a deep interest in ancient philosophy, virtue ethics, and human nature. Connect with Jason at valuesofthewise.com.
In the conversation, Jason and I discuss:
Practical Philosophy
The wisdom of skepticism
Finding the balance between knowing and not knowing
What we can know for sure
The value of quotes and aphorisms
Wisdom in daily life and much more
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Jul 27, 2022 • 60min
Dr. Mark Vernon | Psychotherapy and the Spiritual Path
In this episode, my guest is Mark Vernon, the author of the new book Dante’s Divine Comedy: A Guide for the Spiritual Journey. Mark is a psychotherapist and writer interested in spirituality and inner life. He has a Ph.D. in ancient philosophy, as well as degrees in physics and theology. You can learn more about Mark’s work at markvernon.com.
In the conversation, Mark and I discuss:
Psychotherapy and the spiritual path
Why the way down can be the way up
The role of guides on the spiritual path
How the Divine Comedy can change our perception
Wisdom in daily life and much more
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Jul 24, 2022 • 7min
Seneca | On the Happy Life (Part III)
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Welcome to the Sunday edition of In Search of Wisdom. Here we slow things down, find time for stillness, and take a deeper dive into the ancient texts. We reflect on selected readings from philosophical and spiritual traditions to help us live our highest good. To learn more, you can visit perennialleader.com.
In this episode, we conclude our selected readings of Seneca’s On the Happy Life. According to Seneca, “Happy therefore is the one right in his judgment. Happy is the one content with the present circumstances no matter what they are and a friend to his own affairs. Happy is the one whose disposition of his affairs is entirely as reason recommends.” […]
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