
Perennial Wisdom
Perennial Wisdom (formerly In Search of Wisdom) is a podcast for seekers and curious minds. Join the search with J.W. Bertolotti (creator of the Perennial Meditations newsletter) to discover practical wisdom from philosophical and spiritual traditions. Learn more at perennial.substack.com.
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Nov 30, 2022 • 1h 16min
Donald Robertson | Stoic Wisdom for Modern Leaders (and Life)
Donald Robertson, a cognitive-behavioral psychotherapist and author of graphic novel 'Verissimus,' shares invaluable leadership insights inspired by Marcus Aurelius. He discusses the dichotomy of control, emphasizing how understanding what we can influence can enhance personal well-being. The conversation delves into managing anger and the importance of empathy, illustrating how ancient philosophy can guide modern leadership. Donald also reflects on his journey revitalizing Plato's Academy, connecting scholarly pursuits with community engagement.

Nov 23, 2022 • 52min
Dr. Brian Russell | The Discipline of Discernment
In this episode, my guest is Dr. Brian Russell, the author of Centering Prayer. Brian is a return guest to the show. I’m grateful he agreed to come back on to have a conversation on The Discipline of Discernment. Brian is a professor of biblical studies and a transformational coach for pastors and spiritually-minded professionals.
In the conversation, Brian and I discuss:
What is discernment
The obstacles to discerning wisely
How contemplative practices help us discern
Navigating Life’s questions
The wisdom of discernment and much more
Brian also has a podcast called The Deep Dive Spirituality Conversations podcast.
You can learn more about Brian’s work at brianrussellphd.com.
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Nov 16, 2022 • 48min
Kieran Setiya | How Philosophy Can Help Us Find Our Way
On today’s episode, my guest is Kieran Setiya, the author of the new book Life is Hard: How Philosophy Can Help Us Find Our Way. Kieran teaches philosophy at MIT, working mainly in ethics, epistemology, and the philosophy of mind. He is also the author of Midlife: A Philosophical Guide and has a philosophy podcast called Five Questions.
In the conversation, Kieran and I discuss:
Finding Our Way
Philosophy and Temperament
Philosophy as Self-Help
Loneliness and Grief
Hope and Despair
How to live a good life and much more
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Nov 9, 2022 • 47min
David Alexander | The Wisdom of Carl Jung
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In this episode, my guest is David Alexander, the co-host of the Between Two Ravens podcast and creator of the Prosoche Project. David is a psychotherapist, a founding member of the Walled Garden, and someone with a deep interest in practical wisdom. Learn more about David’s work in the world at prosocheproject.com and at thewalledgarden.com.
In the conversation, David and I discuss:
Knowing Yourself
Finding Clarity
Stoic Mindfulness
Navigating Paradoxes
The Discipline of Discernment and much more
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Nov 2, 2022 • 50min
Karen Stohr | Choosing Freedom: A Kantian Guide to Life
In this episode, my guest is Karen Stohr, the author of Choosing Freedom: A Kantian Guide to Life. Prof. Stohr joined the philosophy department at Georgetown in 2002, where she is the Ryan Family Professor of Metaphysics and Moral Philosophy. In 2011, she also became a senior research scholar at Georgetown’s Kennedy Institute of Ethics. Learn more about Karen Stohr’s work and background.
In the conversation, Karen and I discuss,
The life and philosophy of Immanuel Kant
What it means to live according to reason
Why overcoming vice is more than half the battle
The role of hope
Wisdom in daily life and much more
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Oct 26, 2022 • 51min
Dr. Sunil Raheja | Dancing with Wisdom
In this episode, my guest is Dr. Sunil Raheja, the author of Dancing with Wisdom. Dr. Sunil is a psychiatrist, coach, and wisdom seeker. He works with senior leaders and clients who feel stuck – empowering them to re-engage with a deeper purpose. You can learn more about his work in the world at Dr.Sunil.com.
In the conversation, we discuss,
The Examined Life
The Role of Responsibility
How to Find Clarity
Wisdom in daily life and much more
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Oct 19, 2022 • 47min
Jonathan Robinson | The Enlightenment Project
In this episode, my guest is Jonathan Robinson the author of The Enlightenment Project. Jonathan is the author of 14 books, a psychotherapist, a spiritual coach, and a professional speaker. His first book, The Experience of God, includes interviews with the late Mother Teresa, the Dalai Lama, and several other spiritual masters. You can learn more about Jonathan's work in the world at theenlightenmentproject.net.
In the conversation, Jonathan and I discuss the following:
Why we search for wisdom
Myths about enlightenment
How to not take life so serious
The benefits of quieting the mind
The wisdom of gratitude and much more
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Oct 12, 2022 • 51min
Stephen Angle | Growing Moral: A Confucian Guide to Life
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In this episode, my guest is Stephen Angle, the author of Growing Moral: A Confucian Guide to Life. Stephen is a philosophy writer and researcher specializing in Chinese Philosophy, Confucianism, Neo-Confucianism, and comparative philosophy. His research focuses on philosophy’s role in human rights, politics, and ethics.
In the conversation, Stephen and I discuss,
Confucianism as a Way of Life
The power of rituals
How to embody your reading
The wisdom of reflection
Confucian wisdom in daily life and much more
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Living a Good Life: https://livingagoodlife.com/
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Oct 5, 2022 • 54min
Vitaliy Katsenelson | The Art of a Meaningful Life
In this episode, my guest is Vitaliy Katsenelson the author of Soul in the Game: The Art of a Meaningful Life. Vitaliy’s book draws from the lives of classical composers, ancient Stoics, and contemporary thinkers. I found his book to be a beautiful collection of life lessons and wisdom for modern life.
Vitaliy Katsenelson was born in Murmansk, USSR, and immigrated to the United States with his family in 1991. After joining Denver-based value investment firm IMA in 1997, Vitaliy became Chief Investment Officer in 2007 and CEO in 2012. Vitaliy has written two books on investing and is an award-winning writer. Known for his uncommon common sense, Forbes Magazine called him “The New Benjamin Graham.” You can learn more about Vitaliy and the book at SoulintheGame.net.
In the conversation, Vitaliy and I discuss:
Living in challenging environments
Having an operating system for life
Stoicism and investing
The difference between art and craft
Wisdom in daily life and much more
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Sep 28, 2022 • 57min
Massimo Pigliucci | The Quest for Character
In this episode, my guest is Massimo Pigliucci, the author of the new book, The Quest for Character. Prof. Pigliucci has a PhD in Evolutionary Biology and a PhD in Philosophy. He currently is the K.D. Irani Professor of Philosophy at the City College of New York. His research interests include the philosophy of science, the nature of pseudoscience, and practical philosophies like Stoicism. You can learn more about Prof. Pigliucci at massimopigliucci.org.
In the conversation, Massimo and I discuss:
Whether virtue can be taught
How to define or think about virtue
Why we have a duty to cultivate our character
The connection between character and your philosophy of life
How to see yourself as a citizen of the world and much more
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