
Perennial Wisdom
Perennial Wisdom (formerly In Search of Wisdom) is a podcast for seekers and curious minds. Join the search with J.W. Bertolotti (creator of the Perennial Meditations newsletter) to discover practical wisdom from philosophical and spiritual traditions. Learn more at perennial.substack.com.
Latest episodes

Mar 15, 2023 • 58min
Brandon Tumblin | On Becoming Stronger (and Wiser)
Welcome to In Search of Wisdom, a podcast by the Perennial Leader Project.
In this episode, I welcome back to the show my good friend Brandon Tumblin from The Strong Stoic Newsletter and Paradoxically Speaking. Brandon is a strength athlete and coach and someone with a deep interest in the art of living. His podcast The Strong Stoic (which is approaching 250 episodes) explores all aspects of philosophy and what it means to live a good life!
In the conversation, Brandon and I discuss:
The connection between strength and virtue
How to adopt a strength mindset
The difference between happiness and wisdom
How to integrate practical wisdom into daily life and much more
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Mar 8, 2023 • 49min
Dr. Brittany Polat | How to Journal Like a Stoic
Dr. Brittany Polat, author of 'How to Journal Like a Stoic' and co-founder of Stoic Care, dives into the transformative power of Stoic journaling. She contrasts Stoic journaling with traditional diary writing, emphasizing acceptance and emotional reframing. Brittany shares insights on viewing wisdom as a lifelong pursuit, much like maintaining dental hygiene, and offers a 90-day journaling program to foster self-acceptance. Ultimately, she encourages embracing Stoic practices as pathways to joy and personal growth.

Feb 22, 2023 • 52min
David Richo | Five Ways to Say Yes to Life
In this episode, my guest is Dr. David Richo, the author of several books, from The Five Things We Cannot Change to his newest book, Ready: How to Know When to Stay and When to Go. Dr. Richo is a psychotherapist, teacher, workshop leader, and writer who combines Jungian, poetic, and mythic perspectives in his work with the intention of integrating the psychological and the spiritual. Learn more about Dr. Richo at davericho.com.
In the conversation, Dr. Richo and I discuss,
What it means to say yes to life
The meaning of the word ego
The five givens of life
Navigating paradoxes
Wisdom in daily life and much more
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Feb 15, 2023 • 9min
The Wisdom of Not Knowing
Welcome to In Search of Wisdom, a podcast by the Perennial Leader Project.
In this episode, I’m sharing an audio lesson from The Wisdom School, a new private podcast for Perennial Meditations members (our daily email community on Substack). The first season of The Wisdom School is based on a 5-week course we just finished called The Timeless Art of Leading a Life. Throughout this course, we’ve explored timeless perspectives, principles, and practices for daily life. The lesson I’m sharing today is episode four of The Wisdom School, which is on The Wisdom of Not Knowing.
If you’re interested in getting our daily meditations and access to The Wisdom School, our new private podcast. You can visit Perennial Meditations on Substack and become a member! Your support is deeply appreciated and helps me to keep this podcast completely ad-free and focused on wisdom for daily life! Alright, without any further delay, I hope you enjoy this episode on The Wisdom of Not Knowing!
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Feb 9, 2023 • 1h 6min
Dr. Kai Whiting | Stoicism and Sustainability
Welcome to In Search of Wisdom, a podcast by the Perennial Leader Project.
In this episode, I welcome back to the show Dr. Kai Whiting the co-author of Being Better: Stoicism for a World Worth Living In. Kai Whiting is a researcher and lecturer in sustainability and Stoicism. His main research interests are how to better account for resource use and the practical application of Stoic philosophy to the challenges of the 21st century.
In the conversation, Kai and I discuss,
The meaning of sustainability and why it matters.
The connection between wisdom and thinking sustainably.
Why we need to change our language around sustainability.
What Stoicism can teach us about changing the world, and much more.
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You can learn more about Kai’s work in the world at StoicKai.com. If you’re interested in Philosophical Mentoring from Kai, you can sign up here. Check out some of Kai’s recent academic papers here.
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Looking for more Podcasts & Essays on the Art of Living?
Check out Paradoxically Speaking, a new joint venture with my good friend Brandon Tumblin from The Strong Stoic Podcast.

Feb 1, 2023 • 1h
Sharon Lebell & Simon Drew | Faith, Hope, and Love
Are the cardinal virtues of courage, temperance, wisdom, and justice enough to live our highest good? Is there a need for the theological virtues of faith, hope, and love? These are just two of the questions we explore in this wide-ranging conversation of In Search of Wisdom.
In this episode, I welcome to the show two friends from The Walled Garden, Sharon Lebell (author of The Art of Living) and Simon Drew (author of The Poet & the Sage). As you’ll hear in the episode, Sharon and Simon have thought deeply about what it means to live a virtuous life, and I’m grateful they took the time to come on the show.
In the conversation, we explore the questions,
What is faith, and what’s the opposite of faith?
How should we think about hope in daily life?
Why do some philosophers see hope as something to avoid?
What roles do our views and beliefs play in living virtuously?
Wisdom in daily life and much more
Although we covered much ground in the conversation, we only scratched the surface. Our goal is to connect again in the near future to explore the virtue of love — more to follow.
Learn more about our guests:
Sharon Lebell: You can learn more about Sharon’s writing, music, and work in the world at SharonLebell.com.
Simon Drew: You can connect with Simon at TheWalledGarden.com and learn more about live events, philosophical mentoring, and much more.
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Jan 18, 2023 • 58min
Emily Austin | An Epicurean Guide to Life
On today’s episode, my guest is Prof. Emily Austin, the author of the new book Living for Pleasure: An Epicurean Guide to Life. Living for Pleasure is part of the Guides to the Good Life series by Oxford University Press. As many of you know, I’m a huge fan of the series. It is dedicated to the idea that philosophy can, as it was for hundreds of years in the ancient world – be a way of life. Prof. Austin’s book is another wonderful addition to the series.
In the conversation, Emily and I discuss:
Finding Philosophy
Who is Epicurus (and why his philosophy matters today)
Tranquility
Pleasure
Virtue
Gratitude
The fear of death
Wisdom in daily life, and much more.
Register for the free 5-Week Wisdom 101 Course, The Timeless Art of Leading a Life, starting on Wednesday (18 Jan 23 at Noon EST). The course consists of an email meditation every Monday and a live meetup every Wednesday at Noon EST. We are going to explore timeless perspectives, principles, and practices to help us live our highest good. You can learn more and register at Perennialleader.com/leading-a-life. Again, the course is completely free for listeners and subscribers of our daily newsletter (Perennial Meditations on Substack). I hope to see you there!
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Jan 4, 2023 • 43min
Buddhist Wisdom for Modern Living | Kevin Griffin, Shaila Catherine, and Nic Bommarito
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In the episode, you’ll hear clips from some of my favorite conversations on Buddhist wisdom. The first portion of the episode comes from my conversation with Kevin Griffin (the author of Living Kindness), followed by my interview with Shaila Catherine (the author of Beyond Distraction). Then finally, the episode closes with a portion of my conversation with Nic Bommarito (the author of Seeing Clearly).
The conversations explore a wide range of topics,
Suffering
Four Noble truths
Training the mind,
Seeing Clearly
Memento Mori
The Art of Wisdom and much more
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Dec 21, 2022 • 58min
Stephen Cope | The Call for Connection
In today’s episode, my guest is Stephen Cope, the author of many books, including The Great Work of Your Life, Deep Human Connection, and, most recently, Dharma in Difficult Times. Stephen is a psychotherapist, Scholar-in-Residence at the renowned Kripalu Center, and the founder and former Director of Kripalu’s Institute for Extraordinary Living.
In the conversation, Stephen and I discuss,
The Call for Connection
Loneliness and Belonging
Contemplative Practices
How to think about Love
Wisdom in daily life and much more
Stephen is a return guest on the show and one of my favorite people to have on the podcast. You can learn more about Stephen’s work in the world at Stephencope.com.
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Dec 7, 2022 • 51min
Prof. Wendy K. Smith | How to Use Both/And Thinking to Solve Your Toughest Problems
Wendy K. Smith, a Professor of Management at the University of Delaware and co-author of Both/And Thinking, dives into the intricate world of strategic paradoxes. She discusses 'both/and thinking' and its power in overcoming binary choices in leadership and personal challenges. Wendy shares insights on work-life balance, exploring the emotional struggles of juggling career and family life. By examining philosophical perspectives, she emphasizes the importance of multiple viewpoints and continuous wisdom in navigating everyday complexities.
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