
Perennial Wisdom
Perennial Wisdom (formerly In Search of Wisdom) is a podcast for seekers and curious minds. Join the search with J.W. Bertolotti (creator of the Perennial Meditations newsletter) to discover practical wisdom from philosophical and spiritual traditions. Learn more at perennial.substack.com.
Latest episodes

May 24, 2023 • 52min
Scott Samuelson | A Guide to the Good Life
Scott Samuelson, a professor of philosophy and author of "Rome as a Guide to the Good Life," shares insights on how ancient Rome can inspire modern living. He discusses the transformative power of life's detours and how they lead to personal growth. Samuelson emphasizes the wisdom of the Roman poet Horace, blending Stoic and Epicurean philosophies for a fulfilling life. The conversation also explores the connections between culinary art and philosophy, illustrating the deep impacts of wisdom on everyday experiences and relationships.

May 17, 2023 • 1h 3min
Ivo Brughmans | Searching for Paradoxical Wisdom
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In this episode of In Search of Wisdom, my guest is Ivo Brughmans, the author of Paradoxical Leadership: How to Make Complexity and Advantage. Ivo is a philosopher, political scientist, and management consultant. He is fascinated by paradoxes and the challenge of bringing together opposite approaches and opening new perspectives that combine the power of both sides.
In the conversation, Ivo and I discuss,
The meaning of paradoxes
Either/or thinking
The History of Paradoxes
The fundamentals of both/and thinking
What it means to be paradoxically competent and much more
I’m excited to share this conversation — Ivo is one of the world’s leading experts in paradoxical thinking, and you can learn more about his work and the book at paradoxical-leadership.com.
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🏛️ Virtual Event on The Art (and Wisdom) of Contemplative Practices (24 May at 7:00 pm EST). Although this virtual event is part of our Perennial Habits Course, everyone is welcome to attend! Learn more and register here.
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🦉 Additional Resources Related to the Podcast:
How to Use Both/And Thinking with Wendy Smith
The Way of Paradox
The Paradox of Love

May 10, 2023 • 44min
Best of Stoic Wisdom | Massimo Pigliucci, Donald Robertson, and William B. Irvine
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In this episode, I’m sharing a few of my favorite clips on Stoic wisdom from my conversations with Massimo Pigliucci (author of The Quest for Character), Donald Robertson (author of How to Think Like a Roman Emperor), and William B. Irvine (author of The Stoic Challenge).
In the episode, you’ll hear,
Choosing a Philosophy of Life
The Wisdom of Impermanence
Compassion and Stoicism
The Discipline of Desire
What would Seneca do? and much more
Learn more and stay connected:
Donald Robertson: Substack | Twitter | website
Massimo Pigliucci: Substack | Twitter | website
William B. Irvine: website
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🏛️ Virtual Event on The Art (and Practice) of Stoic Wisdom (10 May at 6:00 pm EST). Although this virtual event is part of our Perennial Habits Course, everyone is welcome to attend! Learn more and register here.
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🦉 Additional Resources Related to the Podcast:
The Quest for Character with Massimo Pigliucci
Stoic Wisdom for Modern Leaders with Donald Robertson
How to Journal Like a Stoic with Brittany Polat

May 3, 2023 • 57min
Valerie Tiberius | What Do You Want Out of Life?
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In this episode, my guest is Valerie Tiberius, the author of What Do You Want Out of Life? Valerie is the Paul W. Frenzel Chair in Liberal Arts and professor of philosophy at the University of Minnesota. Her books include Well-Being as Value Fulfillment and The Reflective Life: Living Wisely with Our Limits.
In the conversation, Valerie and I discuss,
Strategies for figuring out what matters
Goals and values
Dealing with conflicting values
Existentialism and becoming who you are
Courage and values
Wisdom in daily life and much more
Learn about Prof. Valerie Tiberius here.
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🏛️ Virtual Event on The Art (and Practice) of Stoic Wisdom (10 May at 6:00 pm EST). Although this virtual event is part of our Perennial Habits Course, everyone is welcome to attend! Learn more and register here.
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Twitter: https://twitter.com/PerennialPods
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Website: https://www.perennialleader.com/
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🦉 Additional Resources Related to the Podcast:
Seneca | On the Shortness of Life
Life is Short with Dean Rickles
The Courage to Lead a Life
How to Avoid Leading a Life of Quiet Desperation

Apr 26, 2023 • 56min
Dilip Jeste, MD | Becoming Wiser Faster - The Scientific Roots of Wisdom
Dr. Dilip Jeste, a neuropsychiatrist and the author of 'Wiser,' explores the scientific roots of wisdom and its impact on healthy aging. He discusses how wisdom differs from mere intelligence, emphasizing traits like empathy and emotional regulation. The conversation covers the importance of learning from elders, navigating loneliness, and the societal need for compassion, especially in the wake of the pandemic. Jeste also introduces tools for self-reflection on personal wisdom, highlighting its dynamic nature and the benefits of intergenerational collaboration.

Apr 19, 2023 • 44min
Jamie Kreiner | The Wandering Mind - How to Avoid Distraction Like a Monk
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In this episode, my guest is Jamie Kreiner, the author of The Wandering Mind: What Medieval Monks Can Tell Us About Distraction. Jamie is a professor of history at the University of Georgia. Her work has been awarded prizes from organizations such as the Medieval Academy of America and the American Society for Environmental History. Jamie’s new book has been called “A compelling call to address our current distracted moment with both more seriousness and more humility.”
In the conversation, Jamie and I discuss,
Discerning our way
Why distraction is a perennial problem
How to observe the mind
The role of reading in training the mind
Wisdom in daily life and much more
🏛️ Free 7-week Perennial Habits course on the Art (and Science) of Change (for Perennial Meditations members). The course consists of email meditations on Tuesday and Friday of each week, along with live meetups (Apr 26th, May 10th, & May 24th). Read the latest meditation on The Paradox of Small Changes to learn more.
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Website: https://www.perennialleader.com/
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🦉 Additional Resources Related to the Podcast:
How to “Think” About Change
Thinking 101 with Woo-kyoung Ahn
The Medieval Craft of Memory by Mary Carruthers
The Discipline of Discernment with Dr. Brian Russell

Apr 13, 2023 • 1h 2min
Shane Trotter | Rediscovering Rites of Passage
In this episode, my guest is Shane Trotter, the author of Setting the Bar: Preparing Our Kids to Thrive in an Era of Distraction, Dependency, and Entitlement. Shane is an educator, a strength and conditioning coordinator, and a writer. If you’re not already subscribed to his Substack,
Setting the Bar, I highly recommend it!
In the conversation, Shane and I discuss:
Becoming an Adult
Reflecting on what matters
The role of responsibility
Rediscovering Rites of Passage
Overcoming challenges
Navigating anxiety and much more
As you’ll hear in the episode, Shane is someone with a deep interest in philosophy, psychology, and character development. I always learn something connecting with Shane, and this conversation was no exception!
🏛️ Upcoming course on Perennial Habits, exploring the art (and science) of change. The 7-week course is free for Perennial Meditations members. Learn more and sign up here: How to Change, When Change is Hard.
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Apr 5, 2023 • 12min
The Wisdom of Stillness
Welcome to In Search of Wisdom, a podcast by the Perennial Leader Project.
In this episode, I’m sharing an audio lesson from The Wisdom School, a private podcast for Perennial Meditations members (our daily email community on Substack). The lesson I’m sharing today is an episode on the wisdom and practice of stillness. If you’re interested in getting our daily meditations and access to The Wisdom School. You can visit Perennial Meditations on Substack and become a member!
Your support is deeply appreciated and helps to keep this podcast completely ad-free and focused on wisdom for daily life!
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Mar 29, 2023 • 52min
Woo-kyoung Ahn | Thinking 101: How to Reason Better to Live Better
Woo-kyoung Ahn, John Hay Whitney Professor of Psychology at Yale University, specializes in higher-level reasoning. She delves into how cognitive psychology can enhance daily life and the powerful allure of fluency in perception. Ahn explains the difference between rumination and contemplation, emphasizing the challenge of answering 'why' questions. She shares insights on visualizing our future selves, the importance of critical thinking, and navigating judgment and overconfidence. Her discussion highlights practical applications of reasoning for personal growth and wisdom in daily life.

Mar 22, 2023 • 53min
Dean Rickles | The Shortness of Life
In this episode, my guest is Prof. Dean Rickles, the author of Life is Short: An Appropriately Brief Guide to Making it More Meaningful. Dean is a professor of history and philosophy of modern physics at the University of Sydney, where he is also a director of the Sydney Centre for Time. Learn more about Prof. Dean Rickles.
In the conversation, Dean and I discuss,
Why the shortness of life is what makes it meaningful
Overcoming the fear of death
Seneca’s influence on the book
The need for uncertainty
How to connect with the future you
Discerning our path in life and much more
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