

Playing With Fire
Joli Hamilton
Welcome to Playing With Fire, the podcast for people who are ready to custom-build their love.
We’re talking about non-monogamy–however you design it–as an individuation opportunity.
Want to leave the default and make your life spectacularly you? You’re in the right place.
We’re talking about non-monogamy–however you design it–as an individuation opportunity.
Want to leave the default and make your life spectacularly you? You’re in the right place.
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Aug 17, 2024 • 48min
165 Monogamy, In This Economy? with Laura Boyle
Laura Boyle, an author and coach specializing in polyamorous relationships, dives into the often overlooked practicalities of non-monogamous living. She shares insights from her book, revealing surprising common sizes of poly households and creative space management solutions. The conversation touches on the importance of open dialogue regarding finances, shared parenting, and introducing partners to children. Boyle explores the complexities of relationship dynamics and emphasizes that navigating these details can enhance connections and mitigate potential issues.

Aug 10, 2024 • 55min
164 I HATE THIS: Get Unstuck with Existential Kink (A shadow work method)
A lot of personal growth work is about recognizing and focusing on what we can change in our lives. Take responsibility and make the changes needed. But sometimes you’re stuck. Stuck and bewildered by how this shit keeps happening. There are those same old cyclical situations… a heated argument with a romantic partner, a recurring issue at work, a really challenging family dynamic… where we feel like we have no control. All those tools and practices go out the window and it feels like the situation is just happening at us.
These challenges are the perfect place to start practicing shadow work—the process of becoming aware of what you’ve suppressed, hated, and denied about yourself. Sound a little scary? Don’t worry, shadow work does not mean embracing and enacting all the mean parts of yourself. In other words, doing this work doesn’t mean becoming an asshole.
There are many ways to do shadow work, but today we’re focusing on a method created by Carolyn Lovewell called Existential Kink. Existential Kink involves loving, accepting, and owning the ‘guilty pleasure’ we get from the shadowy aspects of our subconscious, and we’re walking you through the whole process.
In this episode, we’re breaking down:
— What the shadow is
— What it means to do shadow work
— How Jungian and depth psychology define and approach the shadow
— Examples of how and why people repress and deny aspects of themselves
— Why unexamined shadow aspects of ourselves often lead to projections
— How embracing and recollecting repressed aspects of ourselves can be powerfully transformative for your personal growth and relationships
— Why shadow work does not mean embracing and enacting evil/mean aspects of ourselves (AKA becoming an asshole)
— The theory behind and process of Existential Kink
— The importance of community and support while doing depth psychological work
Resources mentioned in this episode:
— My Individuation Alchemy program
— Carolyn Lovewell’s book, work, and programs
— Lindsay Braman’s Emotion Sensation Feelings Wheel
JOIN The Year of Opening community for a full year of learning & support. Registration is open now at www.TheYearOfOpening.com
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com
Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here
Read the transcript of this episode here
Music: Dance of Felt by Blue Dot Sessions

Aug 3, 2024 • 54min
163 Playfulness, Vulnerability, and Parenting with Abbey & Liam from Evolving Love
Abbey and Liam, advocates for conscious relationships, share their insights on non-monogamy and parenting. They discuss their unique journey of coming out to friends and family, emphasizing the importance of open dialogue. The couple balances non-monogamous practices with parenting, addressing age-appropriate conversations about relationships. They tackle jealousy through humor, revealing Liam's clever 'motorbike rule.' Highlighting the connection between non-monogamy and living fully, they stress the value of communication and emotional safety in nurturing relationships.

Jul 27, 2024 • 1h 35min
162 Non-Monogamy & Community: Real Stories from YOO
Opening up isn’t just about f*cking around and finding out.
Done thoughtfully, it’s an experience of opening up yourself. It winds up being a journey of learning what you truly need and want and how to collaborate to create relationships that truly fit.
The Year of Opening is POWERFUL. I’ve seen people transform themselves and their lives in this program, over and over. In this special PWF episode, we sit down with five past participants to hear about what brought them to The Year of Opening, the challenges they faced in their opening journeys, and the transformations they underwent along the way.
We created The Year of Opening to give people access to researched-backed tools, professional support, and a community of people who just get it, all in one place. Hear all about it from these amazing, brave YOO graduates, who get vulnerable in this episode to give you a peek into what it’s like to join this community.
If you’re looking for support on your opening journey, but you have some questions about the best way to get it, this episode is for you!
Our graduates share:
— What inspired them to find support
— What it was like being in a group and talking about vulnerable stuff
— The tools and concepts that stuck with them
— How the work is continuing to benefit their lives
— The unexpected personal growth that came from working on their relationships
— The importance of community support while exploring non-monogamy
JOIN The Year of Opening community for a full year of learning & support. Registration is open now at www.theyearofopening.com
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com
Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here
Read the transcript of this episode here
Music: Dance of Felt by Blue Dot Sessions

Jul 20, 2024 • 54min
161 Adopting a Polyamorous Lens with Alex Alberto, Author of Entwined
When we read Entwined, Alex Alberto’s genre-blending memoir, we felt seen, understood, and represented on a whole new level. We knew right away that we wanted Alex to join us on Playing With Fire—and this week’s episode is even better than we could have imagined!!
Alex’s ground-breaking collection of essays covers beautiful and difficult parts of polyamory that are rarely discussed in story-telling formats. They show us how intense and transformative metamour relationships can be, and they bring us stories of sex and love that go beyond the romp-in-the-hay format. Whether you're polyamorous, monogamous, or somewhere in between, this conversation will expand your understanding of what's possible in relationships.
In this episode, we discuss:
— Alex’s journey to non-monogamy
— How polyamory can be a path to self-discovery and personal growth
— The value of intentionality in relationships, regardless of structure
— How non-monogamy can expand our capacity for joy and connection
— Appreciating the day-to-day realities of non-monogamous relationships, even the challenging parts
— The beauty and importance of metamour relationships in polyamorous dynamics
— The power of storytelling in normalizing and validating non-traditional relationships
— The need for diverse representation in polyamory media
— Parenting, co-parenting, and navigating the societal pressures of raising a child in a non-monogamous family dynamic
— Embracing change and transitions in long-term partnerships
Resources mentioned in this episode:
— Alex's book, Entwined: Essays on Polyamory and Creating Home
— Alex's website
— Alex's Instagram and TikTok: @thatalexalberto
— The upcoming magazine Entwined Mag
Join the global Week of Visibility for Non-monogamy – July 15-21. Visit www.weekofvisibility.com to learn more and get involved!
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com
Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here
Read the transcript of this episode here
Music: Dance of Felt by Blue Dot Sessions

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Jul 13, 2024 • 52min
160 Getting Your Needs Met
Opening up your relationship does not automatically lead to you getting more of your needs met. Monogamy or not, identifying and communicating your needs, wants, and likes can be really challenging!! It’s also crucial to building fulfilling relationships, which is exactly why we created this episode.
Like most aspects of relating, individuating, differentiating, and all the wonderful things we like to talk about on Playing With Fire, identifying and communicating your needs is a skill that you can practice and build.
Listen on to learn about:
— The difference between needs, wants, and likes in relationships
— Why identifying and communicating your needs can be so challenging
— The importance of developing a rich vocabulary to describe your experiences and desires
— How shame and trauma can impact our ability to express ourselves in relationships
— The role of negotiation and consent in getting needs met
— Who is responsible for meeting whose needs
— Why writing things down can be a powerful tool for self-reflection and communication
— The challenges of balancing individual needs with relationship dynamics, especially in non-monogamous contexts
— How to identify your own manipulative and people-pleasing tendencies, and why those strategies can be harmful for everyone in the long run
Resources mentioned in this episode:
— David Cooley's writing and coaching
— Dan Shipper's article on developing sensory vocabulary
— The "Yes, No, Maybe" list for exploring sexual preferences (kinkier version here)
Join the global Week of Visibility for Non-monogamy – July 15-21. Visit www.weekofvisibility.com to learn more and get involved!
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com
Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here
Music: Dance of Felt by Blue Dot Sessions

Jul 6, 2024 • 23min
159 Q&A Quickie: How can I handle my resentment that my partner isn’t into what I want?
Resentment is one of those emotions that can be truly destructive in relationships. It can turn into contempt, and even acrimony… which is why we want to help you address these feelings early and thoroughly. Whether you're in the middle of a big, longstanding resentment issue, or if you’re just starting to feel a little bit bubble up in your relationship, this mini-episode is a must-listen.
This week, we’re breaking down:
— The difference between incompatible wants vs. incompatible relationship structures
— How entitlement and sexual shame can fuel resentment
— The importance of clearly communicating needs and desires to your partner
— Why regular relationship check-ins are crucial for preventing resentment buildup
— How to create a relationship culture that welcomes difficult conversations
— The role of gratitude in counterbalancing resentment
— When and how to find a qualified therapist or coach who is a good match for your relationship goals and values
— Why compromise doesn't mean compromising your core self
Resources mentioned in this episode:
—AASECT (American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors, and Therapists): www.aasect.org
Join the global Week of Visibility for Non-monogamy – July 15-21. Visit www.weekofvisibility.com to learn more and get involved!
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com
Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here
Read the transcript of this episode here
Music: Dance of Felt by Blue Dot Sessions

Jun 29, 2024 • 50min
158 Desire Discrepancy: What to Do When Your Wants Don’t Align
Ever been in a relationship where one of you wanted a lot more sex than the other? Us too! It can be challenging to navigate, especially when you throw in stigma, trauma, sexual shame, and all the other obstacles that can make conversations about sex and desire tricky and painful.
We have good news: There’s a lot you can do to address these issues! In fact, we find that when we do a little digging with our clients, many of those who struggle with desire discrepancy have barely talked about the issue… at all. This week, we’re unpacking why that is and what you can do about it, and we’re sharing some powerful resources to help you along the way.
In this episode, we talk about:
— Why conversations about desire discrepancies can be so challenging
— Destigmatizing the topic of desire mismatches through open conversation
— Why there is no such thing as the “normal” amount or type of sex
— The importance of understanding your own desires first
— Why even small differences in desire can start to feel like a problem
— Why getting really clear and specific about desires and past patterns is the key to improving these conversations
— The importance of consent in relationships with desire mismatches
— How we often project inner conflicts about sex and pleasure onto our partners
— Reimagining relationship norms and structures rather than assuming fixed rules
— The complexity and ongoing nature of unpacking unconscious assumptions around sexuality within relationships
Resources mentioned in this episode:
— Emily Nagoski's books "Come As You Are" and "Come Together"
— Emily Nagoski's TED talks and podcast episodes
Join the global Week of Visibility for Non-monogamy – July 15-21. Visit www.weekofvisibility.com to learn more and get involved!
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com
Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here
Read the transcript of this episode here
Music: Dance of Felt by Blue Dot Sessions

Jun 22, 2024 • 55min
157 What Is Compersion? with Author Marie Thouin
We talk about compersion a lot (duh, it’s awesome!!). But compersion is more than an emotion, and it’s more than the opposite of jealousy. Luckily, Marie Thouin (one of our podcast BFFs) returns to PWF to discuss her new book, What Is Compersion?, which dives into the complexities of compersion as a value system that does not have to be restricted to romantic relationships. In fact, we all have benefitted greatly from expanding the way that we understand and practice compersion to our platonic and professional relationships!
If compersion hasn’t clicked for you in the past, if you struggle with feelings of jealousy in your platonic, romantic, or professional relationships, or if you just want to nerd out with us about compersion, you don’t wanna skip this one! We draw on our personal experiences, academic research, and insights from coaching hundreds of people in the non-monogamy community.
In this episode, we talk about:
— Why compersion is more than just an emotion
— Compersion as a value vs. compersion as an escape
— Compersion myths, including the misconception that it can eliminate jealousy entirely
— The power of applying the concept of compersion to non-romantic relationships, and how that can be a huge opportunity for personal growth
— Compersion vs. jealousy vs. envy
— Addressing personal challenges in feeling compersion, particularly in friendships, and overcoming envy and competitiveness
— Discussing practical ways to cultivate compersion in daily life and relationships
— Why compersion doesn’t mean the absence of jealousy, as emotions are fluid and contextual
— Integrating academic research, coaching, and personal experience to better understand and teach compersion
Resources mentioned in this episode:
— Marie Thouin's new book "What is Compersion" is available for pre-order!
— Check out Marie’s website whatiscompersion.com for information about her research, blogs, and a list of resources on compersion
— Follow Marie’s Instagram account @loveinsightdating
— Book a FREE 30-minute introductory coaching call with Marie
Join the global Week of Visibility for Non-monogamy – July 15-21. Visit www.weekofvisibility.com to learn more and get involved!
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com
Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here
Read the transcript of this episode here
Music: Dance of Felt by Blue Dot Sessions

Jun 15, 2024 • 44min
156 Betrayal Trauma & Non-Monogamy
This episode is about betrayal. I know, super fun subject, but don’t click away!!
Betrayal can touch on some of our deepest insecurities. But in my experience, the fear of betrayal can be more painful and damaging than betrayal itself. That’s one of the reasons why it’s important to face betrayal head-on, and to be honest with yourself about how your history with betrayal may be impacting your current relationships with your partner(s) and yourself.
This can be a confusing subject, especially for those of us who are still unpacking that default ‘mono-mindset’ (aren’t we all?). When we transition from monogamy to non-monogamy our paradigms of safety, trust, and betrayal totally change. This can leave people feeling really lost.
But that’s what this episode is for ;)
In this episode, we walk you through:
— The idea of exclusivity in romantic, emotional, and sexual attention as a safeguard against betrayal
— Cultural expectations and norms around monogamy and how they influence our perceptions of betrayal
— Why making the shift from monogamy to non-monogamy is so challenging when it comes to betrayal
— How you can reconceptualize betrayal in the context of non-monogamy
— How personal experiences of betrayal shape people's views and approaches to relationships (often without them realizing it)
— The impact of betrayal witnessed in childhood, such as watching parents betray each other
— How the fear of betrayal can make people close themselves off, and why those emotional walls can hinder the development of deep and meaningful connections
— The profound effects of self-betrayal and the importance of self-trust
— The importance of clear communication and well-defined boundaries
— How to build repair plans into your relationship agreements, and why they’re so important
— Strategies for managing emotions and relationships after trust has been violated
Resources mentioned in this episode:
— Listen to examples of the Imago Dialogue conversation technique here
Join the global Week of Visibility for Non-monogamy – July 15-21. Visit www.weekofvisibility.com to learn more and get involved!
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com
Get the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything here
Read the transcript of this episode here
Music: Dance of Felt by Blue Dot Sessions